‘Squatgate’ vs Abu Ghraib

There’s one thing that really bothers me about this whole earsquat video fiasco[/url]..

Actually let’s make that two.

One is the racial issue, or the lack of it. This is not about race primarily, race could be part of it, but the victim could just as easily be Indian, Philippino or Indonesian, would you be so upset then?

It’s not about race, it’s about human rights. As I’ve been told by locals, many people have also been beaten in lock-up, a lot have died and the conditions are terrible.

It could have been a white boy, it happens everywhere to all races, whichever race is the majority in the police force will be racist against all the other races, it’s a natural human thing. Racism is intrinsic in people, humans are afraid of or unwelcoming to anything that is different to them, that’s the way it is.

The second thing is people incessantly refering to Abu Ghraib, this is Malaysias Abu Ghraib, this is just like Abu Ghraib.

I’m sorry, but SCREW YOU. It’s not even in the same ballpark, it’s insensitive and downright stupid to make such a comparison.

This is quite disgusting for example:

Malaysia’a Abu Ghraib video clip

And this is by a politician that is heard by many, please have some respect and sensitivity about the issue.



vs This:

And it’s not even vaguely similar to being beaten to death then having someone take a picture smiling over your body.

You can see the full line-up here:

The Abu Ghraib Prison Pictures


Some people just disappoint me.

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20 Responses to ‘Squatgate’ vs Abu Ghraib

  1. KY November 28, 2005 at 12:36 am #

    Media loves to sensationalize news. what’s new? However, I do think that this is a horrible abuse of power and actions should be taken.

  2. kimberlycun November 28, 2005 at 12:36 am #

    the similarity is drawn from the fact that both incidents involve intimidation of detained people. considering malaysia was so vocal when condemning abu ghraib and considering abu ghraib was the first thing that comes to mind when one sees the clip, i don’t think it’s a stupid comparison.

    if i were to be stripped and humiliated like that, the last thing i want would be someone to ask me to cheer up, it’s not half as bad as abu ghraib.

  3. mob1900 November 28, 2005 at 12:53 am #

    What about the all cases about the detainees dying while in prison or police custody? Do you think it is NOT comparable? The Squatgate affair is an eye-opener because the ‘evidence’ was recorded whilst the rest of the victims are either dead or too humiliated to report such incidents ever happened. The only reason you get to witness Abu Ghraib is because the ‘evidence’ surfaced. Now imagine those AB pics did not turn up, then we would have compare the next worse incidents of torture, probably during Vietnam war or Holocaust victims. Still fresh in my mind is the case where an Indian detainee who ‘mysteriously’ drown in a river while trying to escape with his hands fully cuffed. The police said they have their witness who saw him jumping over the fence but the coroner concluded he was dead 1 month before. What happened to that case now?

    Abu Ghraib happened during a war and the perpetrators were sentenced, ‘Squatgate’ happens everyday in a peaceful country like ours and these ‘few bad apples’ are not weeded out and probably still on the job.

    Who knows the next innocent victim might encounter these ‘treatment’? But I rather it NOT happen to anyone I know or loved. Would you?

    So far PDRM has been defiant and gives every other excuse than putting a lease on their brethens or at least relook at their misconduct. The Royal Police Commission has reported this a year ago and recommended changes but it was ignored. How long do you think it would eventually reach you?

  4. spiller November 28, 2005 at 1:22 am #

    “Squatgate” is more like mind torturing, where as Abu Ghraib was a serious crime offence which resulted in physical assault and racism humaliation.

    Don’t bother la dude. Point taken. Chill out.

  5. ShaolinTiger November 28, 2005 at 1:49 am #

    So Lim Kit Siang is a part of the media now? There was me thinking he was a politician and should be a little more responsible about what he says.

  6. victor November 28, 2005 at 3:36 am #

    Yeah, whichever race is the majority in the police force will be racist against all the other races. Like in South Africa with the apatheid thingy. You rule the government, you rule the country. That’s sad. Malaysia is the best example. Everything you do, if you’re not in the majority, you’re screwed. Unless you’re some super human

  7. Zhou Ziyang November 28, 2005 at 4:37 am #

    You make a decent point about the race element … lock-up deaths do occur in Malaysia … and the cases never get the exposure of this vile, but relatively mild act … guess what the typical profile of a lock-up death victim is?

  8. PDRMsucks November 28, 2005 at 8:57 am #

    Sorry mate, being in a Polis Di Raja Malaysia lockup is just the same as being in Abu Ghraib. You haven’t heard the instances of rape, torture and beatings?

    The only difference is that the Americans were stupid enough to let so many pictures get out.

    I’m a local, and truth be told I’d rather take my chances in Abu Ghraib, especially if I was an opposition party member. At least you get Red Cross packages there.

  9. PDRMsucks November 28, 2005 at 8:59 am #

    “guess what the typical profile of a lock-up death victim is?”

    Indian or Indonesian. Especially the illegal immigrants, because no one cares about THOSE right?

  10. S-Kay November 28, 2005 at 11:33 am #

    Being asked to squat and being stripped is NOTHING and is part of their search procedure. The video is NOTHING if the media did not sensationalize it. But this case was something. Something that opened the eyes of our dear minister to finally take action against culprits that have mistreated the detainees because we have a solid proof now (although a minor one). This case can be used to warn our dear authorities to be more cautious as to how they treat their detainees.

    I saw the lady who came forth on TV3 to voice her side of the story. Personally, those who have been detained before would laugh their heads out because they have suffered far worse. Who do I want to see come forth to tell their stories? Those who have been beaten and have had their families beaten to death during custody. Where are they? This is the best opportunity to come forth and open up your cases now when they have been long threatened and had their cases covered up.

    Before this, we hear these group of people voice out their anger in the papers but did they grab the attention of the public? Nah, not really. But this time, because it was naked women and because of the recent hoo-haa on female Chinese nationals being mistreated, the news hit frontpage in all major newspapers.

    But so what? In years to come..all these will still continue to happen. You see it here, you see it everywhere.

  11. Salashaska November 28, 2005 at 11:57 am #

    Shaolin, what if the one who was made to squat is your wife or your sister? I think it’s still an abuse of power and authority beyond the line no matter what they say.

  12. ShaolinTiger November 28, 2005 at 12:04 pm #

    I’m sorry but I missed the part where I said what the PDRM did wasn’t terrible?

    Can you point it out for me please.

    I quite clearly stated in my earlier post on this subject how I feel about it, I’m just saying today, that I think this comparison is wrong.

  13. Salashaska November 28, 2005 at 2:54 pm #

    Shaolin, this comparison is not totally wrong, you made this comparison as what you know and what you saw. As being said that what we know about what had what happened in Malaysia’s lock up are what we saw and read in newspaper, but STILL as you said, many things and cases that we missed and many suffering cases experienced by many individuals are not surfaced and always be denied at until somebody dare to come forward and surface it. This time this case is surfaced at the right time. Although this case is not as heavy as what you compare with abughraib picture, I am asure you that the suffer from these individuals are nearly the same as what had happened in malaysia lock ups which did not surfaced to public whether it is physically or mentally. The differences are the pictures or photos haven’t discovered or the photos are not stupidly dispersed around incidentally as what had happened in abughraib or now here, in malaysia. That’s why our Lim Kit Siang member of …errr would you spend time time to read Mr. Lim Kit Siang biodata? It’s https://limkitsiang.com/biodata.htm. Maybe you would more understand him and respect him after reading it and obviously know that he would not spread nonsense just to stir up more hot coffee in this nation. no offence shaolin. just to remind you, one of your blogger friend is in trouble now. sixthseal, you know who he is. 🙂

  14. ShaolinTiger November 28, 2005 at 6:58 pm #

    Yeah I read his biodata, I think he’s just being a sensationalist, which to me doesn’t at all help the issue. It’s just a cheap media trick.

    Maybe he thinks he’s raising awareness on the issue, but well that’s up to him.

    As for Sixthseal, yes I do know him, and well I have to say it’s self-inflicted, he made his choice, Malaysia is not exactly a liberal country and those in more liberal countries are discreet (and anonymous) whilst posting about such things).

    I think he made a mistake in mixing a personal blog with a drugs blog and having his identity known, this was going to happen sooner or later.

  15. Oysterman November 29, 2005 at 6:32 am #

    Latest statement from those in power.


    “If foreigners don’t like our polis, they can go back to their own
    coutires…” Deputy Minister of Internal Security Malaysia

    Autoworld Post

  16. Oysterman November 29, 2005 at 10:01 am #

    More evidence of the comment on telling tourists to get lost if they don’t like it.


    In his media conference at the Parliament lobby today, he went even further, contemptuously telling foreign nationals to go back to their countries if they think the Malaysian police are “cruel”, as if asserting the “sovereign right” of Malaysia to be cruel, completely disregarding the issue about police violation of prescribed laws and human rights standards.

  17. zbjernak November 29, 2005 at 6:58 pm #

    no diff between those pictures…

    even prisoners are not supposed to be treated like tht…
    but here… this happened to ‘free man’… so something must be done…
    or else.. u , me, or anyothers will one day experience it ourself… who knows…

  18. sharina November 29, 2005 at 7:29 pm #

    am i the only one who’s noticed that the girl looked directly at the cam? twice at that.

    it just seems fishy to me.

  19. stupe November 29, 2005 at 9:37 pm #

    sharina…you’re not the only one. i’ve posted about this girl looking twice when the video first came out to tne public…

  20. Auntie Ning Ku December 1, 2005 at 3:07 pm #

    If the girl was white BRIT naked doing ear squats in front of the tudung lady – There will be international press with human rights issue….
    If the girl was british Black being instructed to do the same in Britian by a white police officer – Then it would be a R-A-C-E issue innit and of course bullying, abuse of police powers etc etc? You see the problem is the chinese are meek docile race who don’t stand up for themselves or their fellow countrymen. We’re taught to accept it and forget the whole shit and carry on with our lives and of course the great chinese saying “Its none of my business and I don’t want to attract shit” So lets stay quiet and acept it. It does not help further that china has a poor human rights record.

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