Malaysian Corporal Punishment – Caning

This is pretty harsh, it shows you that caning is actually really bad.

Especially 20 lashes.

He tries to a tough buy, but starts wailing after 3-4 strikes, especially when they start landing on top of each other.

Looks seriously painful.

There’s an interesting article on Wiki about Caning in Singapore, nothing similar for Malaysia though.

You better make sure you rob people before 7pm aye..

Robbery: At least six strokes. If committed after 7 p.m. and before 7 a.m: At least twelve strokes

What do you think of corporal punishment, is it a really effective deterrent?

It certainly sounds painful as described by New Zealander Aaron Cohen’s, he got six strokes in 1982 for drug-trafficking.

It’s just incredible pain. More like a burning – like someone sticking an iron on your bum. That’s the sort of feeling. Pain – just ultimate pain,” he said. ‘‘The strokes come at a rate of one a minute – but it seemed like a lifetime to me. I waited and waited for the first one and as soon as I let my breath out – ‘baam’. Afterwards my bum looked like a side of beef.

Source: MALAYSIA: Illegal Migrant Workers May Escape the Cane

Amnesty thinks it should be banned – Malaysia: Caning should be abolished

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65 Responses to Malaysian Corporal Punishment – Caning

  1. kimberlycun July 4, 2007 at 4:12 am #

    this is a good video to show how severe the punishment is. it ought to be shown on public television everyday.

  2. Suryanata Wongtomo July 4, 2007 at 6:03 am #

    Someone once said this is nothing but glorified torture. I agree and i consider this no different to the Abu Ghraib Prison scandal.

    When I watched it, I find no sense of justice, just pure disgust at the absence of humanity. To call this justice is an insult as we have degraded worse than many of the worst criminals. Why? Look at the reasons you could be caned? Illegal immigrants? Drug use? Give me a fucking break.

  3. hedonistics anonymous July 4, 2007 at 9:42 am #

    great video. i’m all for corporal punishment. for rapists, child molesters and murderers, they should be given 50 strokes of rotan.

    after that they should be castrated.

    preferably without anesthesia.

  4. Dangerous Variable July 4, 2007 at 10:31 am #

    beware! The wrath of the cane!

  5. wombok July 4, 2007 at 11:20 am #

    This is a really good deterrent.

    Definitely should be shown to the public more often. I am not too sure about the caning procedures but last i heard, if a guy gets 20 strokes, they divide it to 2 sessions? I am surprised he could still work properly though.

    Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time!

  6. Asyraf Lee July 4, 2007 at 2:20 pm #

    They should show this in national tv then again too bad we have censorship :P

  7. CLF July 4, 2007 at 3:36 pm #

    Saw this video footage shown during some sort of PDRM exhibition in Sabah when I was serving NS there…. painful!!

  8. Dabido July 4, 2007 at 5:04 pm #

    I did write a long ass comment about this … but darn it, apparently I couldn’t add.

    Short version of same comment:
    * Corporal and Capital punishment doesn’t work as Criminals don’t think they’ll get caught.
    * Violence breads more violence [and kids exposed to violence have a higher chance of becoming criminals]
    * Most nations with Corporal and Capital punishment have higher crime rates than those which don’t.
    * High police presence in areas is actually the BEST deterant to crime.

  9. Suryanata Wongtomo July 4, 2007 at 5:09 pm #

    I agree with dabido. If corporal punishment works then there is quite a substantial amount of justification onto it on a logical sense. However, Malaysia’s crime is spiraling out of control and I dont think caning is on their mind when they are committing the crime.

    However, SG has corporal punishment even for vandalism and the crime rate is quite low. What do we say to that? Likewise, there are also both countries with and without corporal punishment that has both a high and low number of crime.

  10. LC_Teh July 4, 2007 at 5:24 pm #

    You play, you pay. No culprit should get away.
    Actually at this stage it mostly too late to redeem anyone. That’s because they spared the rod, they spoiled the child. Now the kid’s grown.

  11. nyg July 4, 2007 at 8:27 pm #

    Jesus Christ that is gruesome.

  12. tigerjoe July 4, 2007 at 8:38 pm #

    If one were to listen to everything Amnesty has to say, one would be led to believe that prisons should be set up and run like 3-star hotels. And that even the most hardcore crim deserves counselling more than an old-fashioned medieval “lesson”.

    I say whack ‘em hard, whack ‘em good.

  13. TenthOfMarch July 4, 2007 at 11:11 pm #

    I watched until the fourth stroke and skipped to the end. It is hell for the receiver but I really wonder what goes through the mind of the persons carrying out the caning. Imagine caning dozens of buttocks until they bleed (in some cases). Does that harm a person’s mind?

  14. Chatts July 5, 2007 at 2:08 pm #

    Just goes to show that the colonial hangover is still very active in our asian mind-sets. What had been instituted as a “deterrence” to keep the “blackies” in check is still allowed to flourish!!

    Even in India, sure there is nothing like this legally allowed, but i’m pretty certain it takes place behind closed doors.

    Our police forces (in almost all “former colonies”) still behave like the they are the paid hatchet men hired keep the local “natives” in check. They still behave in some ways as an occupying force!!

    Oh when will we ever grow up!

  15. KY July 5, 2007 at 2:15 pm #

    blaaa. wrote a long comment but the adding mechanism seems to have bugs.

    anyway, was saying corporal punishment has its place, but perhaps we do need to look at what type of crimes deserve such penalty

  16. Matthew July 5, 2007 at 4:05 pm #

    Are they using a whip? I once watched another video during my visit to the Pudu Prison during my primary school days. They were 2 types of canes, a smaller one for juveniles and another bigger one for adults. To add to the grimness of the video, it was shown near the whipping site. The inmates buttocks ended looking like what you call ‘hoi far’ or budding flowers in cantonese. Ouch.

    I think caning should be abolished though.

  17. andrew July 9, 2007 at 1:54 am #

    Watching the video itself is such a torture…..

    Maybe you guys think it’s right to cane those rapists, murderers and they deserved it…but what if a person is wrongly accused to be rapist and sentenced to prison and caning? The judicial system is not perfect…

    And I do agree prevention is better than punishment…we need more police on the street!

  18. Roland Deschain July 22, 2007 at 6:45 pm #

    Anyone know what his crime was?

  19. ray August 2, 2007 at 10:51 am #

    10 years of imprisonment and 20 strokes, he must have done something really bad.

  20. Dave from Texas August 8, 2007 at 7:07 am #

    Does anyone know if RICH people get caned too?

  21. bob August 9, 2007 at 1:12 am #

    if a guy has used his butt in the commission of a crime,such as hiding drugs inside of it,or it’s muscles in raping a child or woman lets say,then it seems it should be whipped severely!

  22. Paul August 19, 2007 at 9:51 pm #

    Although I think this is excessive, I think there’s definitely a place for a limited amount of caning here in the UK as we have got a situation where some youths see their convictions as a badge of honour. I wonder if they’d be so quick to boast about having their ass caned in this way? I think not.

  23. mary March 16, 2008 at 5:39 am #

    I’m Dutch and in my country criminals are in a hotel-like jail. We pay taxes for that treatment. Corporal punishment seems a better solution to me. Stop pampering criminals!

  24. Eileen Avila May 26, 2008 at 3:31 am #

    Judicial caning seems to be exquisitely painful, yet, Singapore carries out canings in a “mass production” fashion, long lines of detainees squat in a corridor awaiting their turn to be severely caned.

    So I doubt it is an efficient deterrent, it doesn’t seem like the number of canings will dwindle anytime soon, the opposite being more likely though.

    But it is undeniable that the proceedings are quite interesting in some sort of way, I guess watching rapists and molesters get their just deserts is somewhat rewarding.

    I wish my country (México) would adopt this punishment method on rapists, molesters, drug dealers and those morons painting grafitti on private property.

    It wouldn’t be a deterrent but at least they would get their butts marked for life, the f***ng bastards

  25. imforit June 15, 2008 at 12:49 pm #

    I’m for it! Bring back Caning! What ever happened to the kid who sprayed graffiti in Singapore and received caning for punishment?

    Quit pampering these undisciplined, irresponsible, smart-ass punks. Mom & dad pampered ‘em and now they’re paying the price.

    I don’t mean to sound uncaring. You love your children and let them know it. But you also discipline them or they grow up undisciplined. You teach them responsibility or they grow up irresponsible.

    Common sense ain’t!

  26. Richard Anonymous January 18, 2009 at 7:29 am #

    I see the lash, cane, or leather strap as a good, strong deterrent for men and teenaged boys who physcially or sexually abuse women (and for those who are showing themselves to be career criminals who are not deterred by prison alone). Most sex crimes (including date rape, the most common form of rape) against women are committed by young, sexually focused males 16-24 yrs of age who need a strong deterent, could be reformed by such decisive correction early in life, and are physically robust enough to endure such discipline.
    I have some admiration of the Singaporean justice system which provides mandatory caning for males, starting at 16 years of age, who are convicted of sexually offending against women. Even those who engage in nonconsensual sexual touching receive a minor caning. I see this is promoting respect for women and stopping problems before they escalate. Because most nations that still employ the lash are developing nations, I like how Singapore shows us that a nation can be modern and still have provision for flogging. And as most people know, the amount of sex crime is very low and repeating such a crime after having been caned across the bare backside for it is almost unheard of. Also, the introduction of caning in Malaysia succeeded in lowering an out of control crime rate.
    Look at the example how even circus lions can be kept tame and safe when they know there is a whip available that can be used on them. The desire to avoid pain affects the behavior of all mamals. Where it is used, flogging is often considered the most dreaded form of punishment and men have been know to beg for more prison time in lieu of the lash or to cross jurisdictional lines to commit their crimes in juridictions where the whip was not in use. People think that society has evolved beyond the need for the lash, but have all men evolved beyond the need for this? What could be a more effective antidote to violent and sexual excesses of testosterone?
    If whipping were in use, a man wanting to assault a woman would know he would also get hurt just like when a man decides not to attack a man whom he thinks can hurt him back badly. Also men need to know that assaulting a woman will not be even close to worth it and he will deeply regret it. Men motivated by sexual impulses to do force sex or sexual contact need to know that the pain of the punishment will far outweigh any pleasure derived from the crime.
    I often think we could live in a better society if women felt safer around men and men were safer for women to be around. I also wish for women to feel that justice is done, that sex crime is blamed on the offender, that rape is taken seriously, and that women are valued by soceity. I see whipping as helping to achieve these ends and demonstrate these things – even when it is trusted men who abuse women, as is often the case.
    Whipping also in some ways fits as a consequence for rape. The man is stripped down, tied down, and whipped. He would have some sense of what it is like to feel pain, fear, humiliation, vulnerability, and a helplessness to resist. More conciousness of this traditional, efficient, effective, and time-honored form of correction is needed.
    I can see merit in in limiting whipping to males. It avoids the problem of role modelling violence against women and sends a message that women are not to be beaten under any circumstance. Exempting women helps to elevate the status of women. Men use their strong bodies to abuse women so it makes sense that the punishment also makes use of the strong bodies which are well suited to endure the rigors of whipping. The physical power imbalance between women and men is mitigated if men also have to fear getting hurt when they attack women in the same way that men have that to fear when they consider attacking a man. Whipping could also be viewed as a very pro-woman form of punishment that protects women from physical harm and benefits them psychologically in that they can fee valued and safe and take some satisfaction that abusive men are being meaningfully punished. The psychological benefit to women is compromised if women end up having something new to fear (such as the idea of being theoretically subject to he lash themselves).
    Such punishment should be done as humanely as possible and no more severely than necessary. I recommend the use of a leather strap because it is flat and not that likely to cause scaring cuts. There should also be supportive counselling offered before and afterwards. Of course, if the offender is judged mentally ill, he should be provided with psychiatric treatment, not whipping. Physical discipline should be provided for guys who know that abusing a woman is wrong and have the mental ability to control themselves but chose not to do so.

  27. Raz February 18, 2009 at 8:48 am #

    gender bias you advocate has no moral justification in law especially in society that aspires to a model of equality of the sexes. A punishment should fit the crime regardless of gender. You seem to think that the crimes for which caning is mandatory are solely confined to male perpetrators. Caning is mandatory for many crimes such as drug trafficking/possession, being an illegal immigrant/refugee etc. Plenty of women are found guilty of such crimes every year, yet are spared caning as part of their punishment. Recently a transsexual was spared a caning simply on the grounds that they had undergone a sex change operation and was ’legally’ deemed to be a woman. To say that women are also not capable of violent crimes or of sexual and physical abuse, for which caning is also mandatory, is also totally misguided. There have been plenty of widely publicised examples of this recently, such as the case of the woman who routinely tortured her Indonesian maid by pulling her teeth out and branding her breasts with a hot iron. Women may not be physically stronger than men but this does not necessarily stop them from abusing those who may be in vulnerable positions and lower down the social ladder. The increase in physical violence against maids by women, the rise in violent female gangs, or the mother who was recently jailed for caning her son over 100 times are all testament to this fact. What about the incident involving President Mugabe’s wife who assaulted a reporter by repeatedly punching him in the face with her bejewelled fists while her bodyguard held him down. There are also considerably more female refugees living and working in Malaysia than men. Simply being a refugee is a crime for which caning is mandatory in Malaysia but only of you are male. Sexual crimes are also not solely confined to men either and there are many women paedophiles serving time in prisons throughout the world. Have you never heard of Myra Hindley? Treating people unequally on the grounds of their gender undermines the whole concept of sexual equality in society and only adds to a sense of moral injustice. It is the very antithesis of the argument you try to advance. If it were only women, and not men who were being punished in this way, there would be a huge international outcry at the barbarity of such a punishment. If a woman commits the same crime as a man, for which caning is mandatory, she should be subjected to exactly the same treatment. Would it be fair to fine a woman $100 for such a crime but fine a man £1000 for the same crime? Is the woman any less guilty that the man? The answer is No.! When are you, and people like you, going to wake up to the fact, that women are not all necessarily ‘sugar and spice and all things nice‘. Some are thoroughly evil. Many men are being brutalised by this intolerant and backward regime simply because they are poor and are trying to forge a better life for themselves and their families.

  28. Bob February 18, 2009 at 8:55 pm #

    I don’t agree, with the caning of females because their butt can’t take it…their cheek’s are too soft !”

  29. Bob February 21, 2009 at 6:24 am #

    after watching the prisoner’s bottom tear open the flesh off it, now if this had been a female butt the damage would’ve been much greater, because of the greater fat content of a women’s buttock’s . so i say no to caning of a female rear.

  30. 'Orrible Owen February 21, 2009 at 11:31 pm #

    I think that if corporal punishment is to employed it should be applied to both men and women without discrimination. I think if Naomi Campbell had been given a bare-bottom caning after her earlier incidents of criminal behaviour then it would have been a severe deterrent to her last – and more serious – acts. I believe that the punishment should have carried out in public, and the photographic evidence of it should have been shown on TV and published in every national newspaper along with a picture of her remorseful and tear-stained face.
    THAT would have brought her down a peg or two.

  31. Raz February 22, 2009 at 12:48 am #

    There is obviously more fat in your head than on a women’s butt Bob. What has any of that got to do with gender equality in the eyes of the law? You seem to be completely missing the point here. I am not saying I am for or against caning for either males or females, but that it is morally wrong to make any distinction on the grounds of gender when it comes to deciding on the penalties for the same criminal offences. If a woman is guilty of the same offence as a man, she should face exactly the same punishment regardless. To say that a person should be excused a certain punishment on the grounds that their skin is too soft, or that their ass is too fat, is plainly ridiculous. If it were a fine instead of caning, would we advocate those with fat asses only pay half the fine?

    Certain arguments have been advanced as to why caning is not appropriate for women but none of them stand up to any scrutiny. One such argument is that it effects a woman’s fertility and that the authorities are sensitive to this issue because of the low fertility rates in their country. This is rank nonsense. It effect a woman’s fertility no more than it does a man’s and how do those who advance such arguments think that women get pregnant anyhow? By a stalk dropping the baby down the chimney no doubt. If the punishment was stoning or hanging, would we excuse women because their heads are smaller or their necks are thinner and weaker? In law there can be no moral justification whatsoever for discrimination on the grounds of gender.

    In Indonesia (Aceh) a man and woman have both recently been sentenced to public caning for consuming alcohol. There have been several previous cases of women being sentenced to public caning in Aceh for gambling. This was televised nationally and well documented in the press. It is a punishment that is also used in other countries, such as Saudi, Iran, and numerous other African and Middle Eastern countries for a range of crimes such as Hijab (dress infractions), adultery, witchcraft, gossip mongering). Homosexuality (including lesbianism) is also an offence for which caning is mandatory in both Malaysia and Singapore. There have also been recent threats by the Malaysian authorities to cane girls / women for ‘tomboyish’ behaviour. In Malaysia, why are only male illegal immigrants caned when they are vastly outnumbered by women illegal immigrants? I am not condoning, or criticising, this form of punishment, I am simply arguing that if it is used on both men a women in other countries why should this not also be the case in either Singapore or Malaysia? If women are guilty of the same crimes they should face exactly the same punishment.

  32. Raz March 23, 2009 at 2:41 am #

    Those who also feel that women and girls are all delicate little flowers ‘sugar and spice and all things nice’ should take a look at the following liveleak clip:

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=561e190438

    This is just one of many such clips which graphically demonstrates that women and girls can often be even more vicious and violent than their male counterparts. Can anyone seriously suggest that any of the women shown would be physically any less capable of taking a caning? Are they any less culpable than violent males? I am heartily fed up with all those morons who bleat on about how women are not capable of the same sort of violent crimes as men for which caning is mandatory in some countries. You all need to wake up to reality. A U.K. schoolgirl recently stabbed another girl in the face with a pair of scissors, leaving a ten inch diagonal scar across her face. Schoolgirl violence is spiralling out of control in some countries with an upsurge in violent female gangs. This problem has even been debated in Malaysia recently, yet girls and women still get the ‘kid glove’ treatment by comparison to their male counterparts. Why is this? The number of females convicted of drug related crimes in both Singapore and Malaysia is also on the increase and possibly even higher than those perpetrated by males. I fail to see how the deterrent effect of caning is ever going to work in such countries when only half those ‘convicted’ of such crimes (the male half) are punished with caning while the women are spared.

  33. Bob March 24, 2009 at 12:09 am #

    Watching the cane tear the flesh right off his rear is kind of gruesome, in slow-motion i’m sure you’d see bits and pieces flying through the air the cheek’s just disintegrate.

  34. Raz April 7, 2009 at 8:12 pm #

    Here is another link to research on child abuse actually in Malaysia which shows that 60% of the perpetrators were female:

    http://www.dailyexpress.com.my/news.cfm?NewsID=17581

    It should also be remembered that a large proportion of sexual abuse by females of males/boys goes unreported. But the following links must surely demonstrate beyond doubt that women are equally capable of violent sexual assault and abuse. It is a gross mistake to think that such behavior is entirely unique to men.

    http://hereticalsex.blogspot.com/2007/01/female-paedophile-parade-of-shame.html

    Are we still all convinced the girls are “sugar n’ spice and all things nice”? Read on:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/new-unit-to-treat-female-paedophiles-1072477.html

    Why should they be treated any differently from Male abuser’s?

  35. bob April 8, 2009 at 1:06 am #

    after reading some of these reports of violent women, i’m starting to have a ghange of heart, but the damage the female bottom would be much greater..

  36. Bob April 8, 2009 at 5:18 am #

    i’m thinking if he had gotten a look at that butt-splitting cane, his bottom would’ve started quivering right then and there?”

  37. Raz April 15, 2009 at 6:46 am #

    What has happened to the debate here? Some of the comment are innane. Nobody seems to be contributing anything of value to this debate any longer or have my arguments and links finally put paid to those of you who advocate the type of gender bias depicted in the clip. This has no place in law as it is predicated on the assumption that men, and only men, commit the sorts of crimes for which caning is mandatory in these countries. This is utter crap as I have shown.

    Here is another one for the book:
    http://photojourn.wordpress.com/2009/03/23/sadistic-malaysian-employer-sentenced-to-18-years-for-abusing-maid-released-on-bail/

    And finally this:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1142824/Nazi-women-exposed-bit-bad-Hitlers-deranged-male-followers.html

    It seems that it is a stange querk of societies world-wide to consider women incapable of violent, sexual or sadistic crimes. This probably stems from their natural role as mothers. It is salient to note from the last Daily Mail Online article, that women SS guards were considered to be some of the cruelest cold-blooded sadists of the WW2 Nazi concentration camps. As this article suggests they were, in many respects, far worse than their male counterparts. Despite this, the vast majority of these women never faced any justice at all. One even continued to practice as a doctor for many years after the war. Perhaps the judges at the Nuremberg trials put it down to PMT or that they were just having a ‘bad hair day’. Does anyone get the point I am making here? If they are guilty of the same crimes, why should their butts, regardless of how fat and soft they might or might not be, be spared simply because they are female?

  38. 'Orrible Owen April 16, 2009 at 6:01 pm #

    I agree 100%. If the death penalty is applied – and it is in states like Texas and California – then it is applied to both men and women alike. There is no discrimination according to gender. If this principle holds true for capital punishment, then it must also hold true for corporal punishment too. If it is appropriate to cane a man for a particular offence, then it is also appropriate to cane a woman too.

    The brutal and savage activity of girl gang-members (black or white, latin or asian) is out of control in many US cities. Some UK cities are beginning to follow suit. In London a 14-year old girl participated in a ‘wilding’ assault that resulted in a man (who a couple of years earlier had survived injuries sustained in a terrorist bombing) being kicked to death. As her friends finished him with stamps to the head, she took photographs on her cell-phone so that she could show the proof of her involvement to everyone in the schoolyard!

    If a woman commits acts of brutality such as this (and many women DO) then there is no reason why their buttocks should not recieve the same treatment as a man’s would for the same offence. And if their pretty little bottoms get a few cuts across them, or they have to spend a few nights sleeping on their tummies, then that’s just too bad! I think that it should be done, and that it should be done in public!

  39. Raz April 16, 2009 at 6:23 pm #

    Thanks Owen. Its good to hear that someone at least understands the point I am trying to get across in here.

  40. Mark May 14, 2009 at 7:03 am #

    after seeing that video it scared me a bit, I never want to get canned in that Country

    That is really scary to think about, getting canned is no Joke at all!!!

  41. Bob May 15, 2009 at 5:11 am #

    “Well,yes i agree!it was hard for me to watch also,the pitiful moaning of the owner of this poor butt being torn to sheds..WOW!!

  42. Bob May 15, 2009 at 5:30 am #

    ITS AS THOUGH HIS BUTTOCK’S WERE HAVING A QUIVERING CONTEST !

  43. 'Orrible Owen June 23, 2009 at 9:44 pm #

    Yes, this is the point. The cane is seen a a deterrent to anti-social behaviour in these countries and people respond accordingly. In many Western countries the is no deterrent and people behave as they do because there are no consequences. Eventually, it is too late and people end up in jail – with all the ‘kudos’ that comes with that. There are two women’s prisons in Chowchilla, California. Each was built in the 1990’s to house a maximum of 4000 inmates in total. the town the home of the largest women’s prison complex in the world. They are both now operating at double their capacity and much of one facility has been comdemned. Most of the inmates are there because of drug or drug-related offences. Many of the women are in a ‘revolving door’ of offending, imprisonment, parole and re-offending. There has GOT to be a better way!

    In Malaysia, two 17-year old Australian girls were arrested on a drugs charge. Because of their age and the fact that they pled guilty, the magistrate sentenced them both to eight strokes of the cane. The two girls went into a closed room where a policewoman carried out the sentence. They were each stripped of their dresses and hose, and then they were positioned for punishment. The female officer stepped forward and cracked the cane sharply across each girls buttocks in turn. Afterward, one girl said “I screamed blue bloody murder! I didn’t think ANYTHING could hurt that much!”. A doctor later said that their bottoms bore ‘weals and abrasions consistant with a severe caning’. I’m willing to bet they cried buckets too, before, during and after their caning. I’m also willing to bet that neither girl got involved with drugs again!

    As a matter of interest, there WAS an element of discrimination in this case. When the parents complained, the authorities pointed out that a local youth had earlier received no less than twelve strokes for the same offence. In the name of ‘equal opportunity’ I can see no reason why the buttocks of white girs should recieve any less of a thrashing than those of an asian girl. After all, is not racial-bias in the sphere of crime and punishment just as bad as gender-bias? It’s something to consider!

  44. Raz June 30, 2009 at 8:30 am #

    For those of you who, despite my earlier posts on this subject, still feel it is only men who commit sexual crimes and child sexual abuse, the following link makes interesting reading and should help to finally shut you up:
    http://interested-participant.blogspot.com/2008_06_01_interested-participant_archive.html

    This is just the tip of the iceberg as most cases of sexual abuse of males by females goes completely unreported. In one case, a woman who raped a 13yr old boy only got six months in jail. What would be the position for a man who did the same thing to a 13ys old girl do you feel? Why should women get away with such crimes? This is the sort of warped mentality that pervades the legal system in Singapore and Malaysia where, as far as the caning sentence is concerned, gender bias is perfectly acceptable. When will you ever wake up to the fact that some women are not ‘sugar and spice and all things nice’. They are capable of committing the same sort of crimes as men, for which caning is mandatory in these countries. In law there can be no justification for treating women differently from men and just goes to show how out of touch these regimes are with the notion of true gender equality. It makes a mockery of all they espouse in regard to equality of the sexes and demonstrates that they have no understanding whatsoever of true sexual equality.

    I am not saying I am either for or against caning as a punishment, just that it is totally wrong to award this punishment on the grounds of gender and gender alone. Those of you who seem to think it is okay for men, but not women, to be caned for the same criminal offences are utter idiots. Worse still are those of you in here who are just missing the point completely and repeat the same inane comments. There has been a recent move to award extra years to a sentence in liue of caning for women. Again, what degenerate moron thought of that idea?

  45. 'Orrible Owen July 7, 2009 at 11:05 pm #

    I quite agree. There is such hypocracy is the sentencing of these offenders. The caning of juveniles of BOTH genders is allowed in Malaysia (a smaller cane is employed for those under 18) and I believe that there is no difference in the number of strokes that are awarded to boys or girls convicted of the same offence. Why then should a woman who has been convicted of the same crime a man be sentenced to a longer prison term rather than the same dose of corporal punishment? It is no different to giving someone a ‘special’ sentence on the grounds of race, religion or sexual orientation! It is extraordinary! A precedent has been established. Female offenders are punished in the same way as males if they are juveniles. Why not as adults too?

    An earlier poster said that the Mayasian policy of corporal punishment is a relic of Empire. He claimed that the colonials used such penalties as a way of treating the ‘natives’ like children, and now the post-colonial authorities are guilty of treating their own people in the same demeaning way. I wish to draw his attention to the white offenders that were dealt with in the same manner as the locals. The two Australian girls who were punished by the policewoman said that the officer was ‘smiling’ as she picked up the cane. Perhaps as the two unhappy girls were stripped naked and barefoot in front of her, she was considering how many asian girls had been caned by the white authorities back in the days of Empire! Now it was the turn of the local administration to deal justice to the foreigners! Personally, I’m quite sure that the policewoman was relishing the task of ensuring that this pair of over-priviliged white brats were going to be left unable to sit down for a week!

  46. Raz July 11, 2009 at 11:09 pm #

    Nobody, apart from ‘Orrible Owen’, seems to be contributing anything to this debate anymore. What happened to all those misandric (men-hating) comments from people like Eileen Avila? Have I shut you up now? Too ashamed to comment?

    The latest figures from Amnesty International show that since 2002 Malaysia alone has caned over 40,000 male refugees and those who have overstayed their visa. Many of these men have been duped by unscrupulous employers who confiscate work permits etc and are victims of a totally corrupt barbaric and inhumane system. Malaysia, and Singapore too, should hold their heads in shame. Do they not realise that their cosy lifestyles and pretence at social sophistication are build on the backs of such imported labour. These people are guilty of nothing more than trying to escape poverty. If you are going to cane people why not start with these two bitches: http://interested-participant.blogspot.com/2008/06/lapd-mom-tortures-young-son-los-angeles.html

    Also why is it only ever men who are considered to be guilty of sexual and violent crimes – nobody seems to have anything to say on this issue and the following YouTube clip makes interesting viewing. Statistics show that far more women than men instigate incidents of domestic violence.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4Ko23cI6oQ&feature=related
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlFAd4YdQks&feature=related

    Why then is this punishment deemed appropriate for women in the Maldives:
    http://www.minivannews.com/news_detail.php?id=6842

    Its funny isn’t it how one of the ‘women’ interviewed seems to think that the man must have ‘deserved’ to be assaulted. That somehow, just the fact that you are male, means you must surely be the guilty party. Do men deserve to be punished, just because they are men? Malaysia and Singapore seem to think so. What warped and backward thinking.
    Recently there was a huge outcry when one women was flogged in the Swat Valley by the Taliban yet nobody, part from Amnesty International, seems to give a shit about the plight of the 40,000 men who have suffered far more brutal floggings in Malaysia and Singapore. That’s because most people incorrectly assume that they are all drug dealers and child rapists etc. Get your fact right!

  47. 'Orrible Owen July 22, 2009 at 10:27 pm #

    The report from Los Angeles was an absolute horror to read. I think that these two women deserve a caning at least as severe as the one shown in the above clip. Someone posted earlier saying that after receiving such a thrashing, the subject’s buttocks would resemble ‘blooming flowers’ due to the multiple lacerations left upon the skin. To be quite frank, I don’t have a problem with that! No, not one little bit! Why not strip this pair in the middle of the town square before lashing them in front of the victim that they tortured so brutally? Why shouldn’t everyone can see what happens to people who are convicted of committing such vile crimes? Let THEM howl for a change! If you put a couple of dozen bloody welts across their asses, these nasty bitches would soon begin to understand the consequences of their actions!

  48. Raz July 23, 2009 at 12:06 am #

    I am not saying that I am for or against caning as a punishment, though as you say Owen, those two Los Angeles bitches seem to be as deserving as any for a good thrashing. My point is to highlight the fact that women do commit violent and sexual crimes. According to almost ‘all’ statistical surveys many more women than men are guitly of child cruelty/abuse and of instigating incidents of domestic violence. Nevertheless there seems to be this notion that it is perfectly acceptable for a woman to physically assualt a man -“he ‘probably’ deserved it” is the usual excuse for such warped and moronic attitudes.

    Reports in the UK National press today confirm that a female Singaporean model,Kartika Sari Dewi Shukarno, has been sentenced in a Malaysian court to six strokes of the cane for drinking beer.

    http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2009/07/21/Woman-sentenced-to-caning-for-having-beer/UPI-96381248233483/

    She has been sentenced to this punishment under Sharia/Islamic law and not civil law which exempts women from caning. This makes even more nonsense of the gender bias laws of Singapore and Malaysia. How can it be considered okay under Islamic law, but not civil law? Is this not setting a legal president? They will cane a woman for drinking a beer but not for grievously assualting and abusing a domestic maid by pulling her teeth out, or abusing a young child (I have given many examples of these previously).

    Of course all the womens rights lobbiest, even women from her own country, are now on the case saying that it is a ‘barbaric’ way to treat a woman. Why only women? If it is barbaric for women then it must also be barbaric for men. This is the sort of gender bias double standard clap-trap that makes my blood boil. They have no moral grounds whatsoever for such an assertion as they have no real concept of gender equality or human rights. None of them, for example, would bother to complain if it were a man. Malaysia has caned 40,000 male illegal immigrants (and I use the word ‘illegal’advsiedly) since 2002 -but if you dare to suggest this punishment for one woman there is uproar – exclusively ‘female’ uproar. There will never be any sexual equality whilst these moronic attitudes persist in such societies. If this is the set penalty for the crime it should be awarded ‘indiscriminately’ to both men and women.It also seems that her punishment might be much lighter than the type normally awarded to a man for a similar offence. Does that seem fair? Why give women the kid glove treatment but see fit brutalize men?

  49. sosong October 6, 2010 at 2:19 pm #

    Why the fuss, if a woman is very naughty n commit serious crime, get a woman caner to give her a few strokes with a smaller cane!

  50. Billy November 19, 2010 at 10:52 pm #

    This should be done in the U.S.

  51. Awsome March 21, 2011 at 5:21 pm #

    Serves him right Iwish they caned him on his penis too! Any way he should get caned.

  52. Prasad March 23, 2011 at 5:57 am #

    This is pure torture. It should not be practiced in any country around the world. This is very barbaric and inhumane whatever the offence the prisoner has committed. Malaysia and Singapore must abolish this and show the world they are developed societies looking to be on par with the west. Allowing this kinda inhumane punishments to remain legal is portraying a bad picture of the legal system in the country. No human being should be treated to what this prisoner went through. Watching his buttocks tear open is very gory and I can only imagine the pain that he went through. This is not and will never be a deterrent to anyone. Its just downright torture systematically inflicted upon the inmate by the government. I hope this Victorian age cruelty will see its end very soon. About only men being caned, I feel its very chauvinistic. Men too feel pain just as women. I dont see the point of sparing women on the basis that their weak. This in itself is a gender discrimination. Where are the women’s rights group now? Women have been enjoying a lot of advantages over men in the legal system with no apparent reason other than they are weak, defenseless and they should be protected. The law should treat everyone the same without any bias whatsoever. By saying this, I am not asking the government to inflict caning on women but to abolish caning altogether. Men or women, they dont deserve this. Its a shame to mankind that we resort to such extreme manner to punish someone. We are given the power of intellect that no other creature has. I suggest the top level leaders to start using theirs and create a violence-free environment and not be the catalyst of torture themselves

  53. lee kelly April 2, 2011 at 1:51 am #

    Kind of hard to watch it fall a part .

  54. Maureen April 4, 2011 at 9:40 pm #

    What’s all the fuss about? A guy commits a crime that has caning as part of the punishment. Yes, it’s quite a deterent but evidently not enough. He’s vocal (to be expected) and his bum becomes an ugly mess but by the end he’s taking it well. No big deal.

  55. Cathy Markus April 28, 2011 at 4:45 pm #

    I think that caning should be aboloished. Not only is the pain impossible to bear, but it will leave mental scars and post traumatic stress in people who recieve this brutal punishment for the rest of their lives.I especially feel sorry for people being wrongly accused of commiting a crime and getting 20 lashes even though they’re innocent. In every country there are numerous crimes that get commited. I’m not trying to say to spare the rod and spoil the child, I just mean that caning is torture, gruesome. But this is all my opinion. Somebody else would think differently.

    I know that I will not allow anybody in my house if they were the Judge that sentences the caning punishment or the caner himself.

  56. Bob May 10, 2011 at 2:17 am #

    Yes, It’s hard to watch it fall apart … poor thing !

  57. Denise August 17, 2011 at 5:19 am #

    How much vandalism and looting and thuggery would there have been in London (…I refer to the recent riots)if we had corporal punishment? My guess is… considerably less. We don’t know if this guy dealt drugs or raped but I have to believe in judicial systems and 20 strokes is evidently what he deserved. I watched it a few times and I’m critical of the prison’s velcro but, considering the interuptions, I think the ‘caner’ did well. The first two strokes appear to have been ‘sighters’ and he eased back for the last half dozen but maintained a confident swing that suggested the prisoner was in good hands.

    Sorry Cathy, I’m with Maureen on this one.

  58. Elliot October 12, 2011 at 4:33 pm #

    Abuse , barbaric practice

    Give 14 year old death penalty and put him in adult prison, bring democracy to this part of the world.

    Some day the will find it inhumane

    The world will modernize but china north Korea other Asian malaysia has to stop it first , modern has to changes,middle east too, they think in a different mind then European and western countries, dealthy penalty is wrong because the execute wrong people by accident ,

  59. bob April 18, 2012 at 3:48 am #

    This has to be terrifying! to be tied up with your bare butt hanging out of that torso shield knowing what the cane is gonna do to your poor ass, especially if you’re getting the max 24 strokes …my ass would be shaking before the first stroke hit it .

  60. bob May 8, 2012 at 8:28 pm #

    TWENTY STROKES OF THE CANE TORE OFF SOME OF HIS ASS .

  61. bob July 6, 2012 at 5:23 am #

    This is the worst ass whipping i ever saw or heard they beat it to smithereens – and the loud sound of the cane striking that poor ass and it’s owner moaning in agony .

  62. bob September 13, 2012 at 8:01 am #

    They turned that Ass into — Two quivering mounds of live Hamburger meat …

  63. Raz October 11, 2012 at 7:42 am #

    Denise, you say you have to “believe in judicial systems” but obviously know nothing of how corrupt and unfair their legal systems may be. Tens of thousands of refugees fleeing genocide have been subjected to this sort of punishment and incarcerated in disease-ridden concentration camps. Regularly, legitimate imported laborers have their passports and identity papers confiscated by unscrupulous employers and, even when given replacement documentation by the UN, are then arrested and caned for being illegal immigrants. Malaysia has refused to recognize the rights of refugees. If you were forced to immigrate there to avoid being murdered in a death camp, would you feel the judiciary were within their rights to flog your naked ass to a bloody pulp? Malaysia has failed to provide a humane solution to the refugee problem and your belief in their judicial system is totally misplaced. You don’t know what this man’s crime was and neither does anyone else, they are just guessing. If you have such blind faith in all judicial systems you must also then agree that was is right for the Saudi Arabian courts to sentence a woman to 500 lashes for daring to drive a car or that the Taliban were right to shoot a young schoolgirl in the head for criticizing their stance of the rights of Afghan females to an education. And Maureen, “what’s the fuss?” – if this was your ass, would you be so complacent?

  64. Philip November 16, 2012 at 10:00 pm #

    TOTALLY OUTRAGEOUS – 1 – Mistakes can be made in prosecution 2- Permanent psychologic damage to victim 3- Many caners are probably sexually stimulated by it – masturbate after it and when they have sex. 4 For a supposedly developed country Singapore behaves like a medieval Middle Eastern country. 5 In a state of around 5-6 million if 5000 canings are carried out (Official figure for 2008 I think) then it is not working as a deterrent . At least Malaysia is a second/third world country a minor excuse – we must wait for their development. Don’t go there.These people are scum.

  65. bob December 12, 2012 at 3:29 am #

    One cane against two buttocks = blood on the moon