Racial Bias in Malaysia and Racism in General..

First up I believe intrinsically everyone is racist to some degree, every single person. It’s human nature, people fear what is different from them and are generally most comfortable with their own ‘kind’. Granted it varies hugely (From Nazis and skinheads with pure hatred for non Arians to Positive racism). I mean here’s an example, you would agree that Africans/Carribeans/African-Americans are the best atheletes in the world right? Well it’s true, they are, but that’s a racial stereotype, and well it just happens to be true, and yes it’s a positive thing, but it’s still a judgement based on race, thus racist. Positive racism in some cases however as gone so far, that is another rant for another day tho..

People of every race tend to whine about other races, it’s normal. Whites in UK moan about pakistanis, eastern europeans, the french, the germans and vice versa.

When I was in UK I had Chinese, Pakistani, Bengali, Black and Burmese friends, so I tasted many sides of the equation.

There is a big problem with racism in Malaysia, it’s mostly in the sense of positive racism and the ‘Bumi’ status (cheaper houses, lower interest rates, easier acamedic lives and so on)..

Malay folks get many easy breaks and advantages solely based on their race, which in turn makes them lazier as they aren’t required to work so hard as the other races to acheive the same thing. The sad thing is the policy was a good one initially, it’s just too out of date now and it’s doing more bad than good..

Jordan Macvay also wrote something interesting about this called Malaysia’s Two Solitudes, he also has a leg in each culture, being married to a Malay lady and working mostly with Chinese.

Pick Yin also followed up on this..

It’s mostly like an open secret, it’s always discussed, but never openly, always without the same racial group.

Here also I have a diversity of friends, Malay, Baba, Nyonya, Chinese, Sino-Kadazan and Indian (Both Indian Indian and local Indian), so I also get to hear many sides of the story…

There has also been books about the issue, the most recent one being The Chinese Dilemma, in part this book is a follow up or revisit of Mahatir’s famous first work The Malay Dilemma..

The power of the Chinese is exaggerated and the laziness of the Malays is overrated, they still both exist in pockets but apparently the field is more even nowdays..

What sparked this off anyway? Hmm shall I just cuss everyone?

Some dude in this office eating like he’s a third world tree ape, wtf man, no one wants see your half digested food, shut your mouth when you eat and stop smacking your lips[/url]. I don’t know why it just causes the rage to rise in me and I start mumbling insults under my breath and feel like punching the guy in the face.

Anyway…I find a lot of Malays in the business world arrogant, and yet they have nothing to be arrogant about, they have no skills, the work they produce is poor, they are in the position due to a family tie, someone they know, and mostly because of their race. Do they realise this? And do they care?

The Tidak Apa[/url] attitude still prevails, mostly born from the all the easy breaks the Bumi’s get, from the education system, through into the work place. The civil service in Malaysia is a joke and many mostly Malay companies are the same, they work short hours, do little work and when you expect them to do some work they do everything to get out of it. Mostly it’s not their fault, it’s the systems fault, the government, the establishment, the society, the culture…not the individual, but every individual could work to change it, but due to the problem itself, they wont.

An example is customer service in Malaysia, it’s still non-existent, it’s still secondary, take the money first, fuck the service, fuck the return business. The big companies are monopolies here so they don’t care..I will say however, Maxis customer service is getting pretty good.

The work place is still fairly segregated too, most big companies in Malaysia are Malay..

Like where I am now, this floor has 0 Chinese, >5 indians and 1 matt salleh (me)..The whole company from what I’ve seen so far (1000+ employees) has less than 10 chinese, probably less than 50 indians, the rest Malay.

Look at all the small start up companies, those fighting for business, those people making money, those people taking risks, are any of those companies Malay companies? Very, very few…they are mostly Chinese and Indian.

The Malay start-ups only start up when they can get a lucrative government contract that they don’t have to work hard on through a contact. It’s like the way tenders and proposals are done here for the big companies, generally it’s who you know, or how much you bribe, not who does the best work and has the skillset for the job (Look at the MRR2). This is changing somewhat, but the whole system still stinks, and it’s actually bad for the country..

Most of the talented people in the country leave, because of this exact problem, the smart Malays have two options, they can use their skills abroad, do something interesting, exciting, innovative, or stay in Malayia, learn to abuse the system and their family ties and make shit loads of money.

Many of the late twenties Chinese also go overseas to earn more, and have qualms about coming back, an interesting E-mail was posted on Jeff Ooi’s blog recently.

The reasons keeping Malaysians away from Malaysia..

As I read all this, I tremble with fear. I love my country and long to return. I am willing to take a 70% pay cut. I am willing to face a demotion. I honestly want to contribute my expertise in complex financial services and capital markets. But really, is there a future for me, for my children and for their children? I am truly frightened.

I can deal with the lack of democracy, the lack of press freedom, the ISA, our inefficient and bureaucratic civil service, our awful manners and even a little corruption. But I cannot deal with racism in my homeland.

There are also cases like Dr Gomez having no reason to return to Malaysia because of stupid short sighted views.

The lack of meritocracy in the Malaysian education system is frightening, the problem is it creates more disparity and continues into the work place..

The Chinese and Indians have to work much harder to get the same results, by doing this they are also improving themselves, the Malays however can sit back a bit so when they both reach the corporate world, even tho the non Bumi’s have been at a disadvantage, they actually end up better of, so in the end the system is hurting everyone.

Anothere interesting article from Nicster Rants, I agree with his sentiment and I do agree though the people that run away and come back now and then to moan about how crappy things are in Malaysia should just shut the fuck up and go back wherever it is they think is so wonderful seen as though they don’t have the balls to stay in Malaysia and try and change things for the better. There are some interesting comments on the post.

I made all these observations because I care about Malaysia and want to improve, my situation is fine pretty much, so it’s not for personal gain, I chose to live in Malaysia so I want it to be a better place..

I think that’s enough for today…I shall let you digest this first.

*EDIT*

Read worthy related posts I’ve since found:

TV Smith – Stereotyping
Verbal Gurgle – Maligned Malay
Ixonia – Racism & Bigotry in Malaysia

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120 Responses to Racial Bias in Malaysia and Racism in General..

  1. Edrei May 31, 2005 at 2:02 am #

    One of the worst things in all this is the fact that as a malay myself I find myself discriminated by many people because of the way I think and what I am. I have come to the points where I have to misdirect people from my own race because since most of the people I hang out with are not malays in the first place, I live in the insecurity that I will be left out because of my blood.

    That’s not even including xenophobic malays which don’t like people who think outside the box stating that they aren’t malay enough.

    That pretty much sucks ass.

  2. Sinner's Ark May 31, 2005 at 2:44 am #

    If we want to criticize something or someone, make sure you are criticizing the correct person / people. It’s kind of unfair to despise the Malays as unintelligent just because most of the Malay individuals that you have to deal with are dim-witted.

  3. FA May 31, 2005 at 2:47 am #

    I’m a fair racist. Everybody suck.

  4. Sinner's Ark May 31, 2005 at 2:50 am #

    Another post related to someone else’s entry. Just read this article from Jordan’s Malaysia’s Two Solitudes, and I really do think all the Malaysians, especially the younger generation, should have a look at it. Jordan Macvay is a “Mat Salleh”…

  5. ShaolinTiger May 31, 2005 at 2:51 am #

    Actually I never said Malays were stupid or untilligent, they just don’t have to work hard, so why would they?

    I wouldn’t if I was in the same situation, why not take advantage of it? That’s the smart thing to do. The fact is it fucks up the country, and yes many of the Malays I get to work with are dumb, why cos if you read the whole article you’d see:

    Most of the talented people in the country leave, because of this exact problem

  6. anonymous May 31, 2005 at 3:00 am #

    I would say that much of these are true. I am a chinese businessman and some of the things, I had to partner with a bumis(malay) in order to get the business done. While the bumis(malay) will get $$$ by doing nothing (other than signing and placing the name). What in the world is this?

    Other than that there are unpaid loans, cheaper loans and houses for bumis. It is my 3rd generation here, and I think that we deserved some rights.

  7. Theroadie May 31, 2005 at 3:04 am #

    that was an honest n raw observation. but IMO u are bordering racial stereotyping with your observation. n that is where racism start. judging people by his race first.

    u got to be able to see from a bigger picture. when i was in the uk, most whites i know at the workplace refuse to work even 10 seconds after the contractual working hours. do i think all englishmen are lazy gits? answer is no. the blokes who didnt want to work any more than they should was Bob, John and Ashley. Get my point?

  8. S-Kay May 31, 2005 at 3:05 am #

    When you mentioned that everyone is a racist to some degree. I agree with you and I feel that the cause of it is the society we live in. I am thankful that my family can be considered quite “muhibbah” because heck, I have a Malay BF and I have relatives of different racial backgrounds. It’s just brilliant.

    I was talking about this with my BF the other day and we were saying that the British really made things worse for us today when they segregated all races. And it is sad that no matter how hard we try to change the way things are in this country, it would never happen because it is impossible to change the way a bumi’s mindset is for they have enjoyed the privilege they have in this country for decades already and I doubt they intend to change that status.

    It is even sadder that my BF actually had the intention to migrate elsewhere because he too faced the same thing Edrei faced (but prolly not as much as he is not purely Malay himself) I love this country so much and I wish that things will be better for my children (should I have any) and my children’s children in the future.

    Good post.

  9. KY May 31, 2005 at 3:06 am #

    Racial tensions will solve itself in a few generations, provided religious freedom is granted.

    The system was in place primarily to diffuse tension between the difference races by archiving some sort of financial and educational “equality”. In that sense, it is quite a success, I’m quite sure many of us wouldn’t want to have the situation like Philipines, Indonesia, or Thailand; where you either completely lose your racial identify, or you face ridiculous racial treatment in the society, take your pick.

    Time has changed and the system is outdated, I agree with you. It is mostly due to the greed of the power that be to maximize their profit, hence we are staying in status quo.

    With the recent change of administration, I am hoping we are slowly seeing the beginning to and end of this… I really hope to.

  10. Theroadie May 31, 2005 at 3:09 am #

    in society you also have the other type of racist like Edrei. the kind who looks down on his own kind and than proclaim that he is ‘different’ like ‘I am a Malay but not that kind of malay’.

    they are the worse kind.

  11. S-Kay May 31, 2005 at 3:10 am #

    I think ShaolinTiger was making a mere honest observation. I have come across Malays who actually criticised their own race for being lazy because of the priviliges they have in this country. They said that the Malays do not know how to make use of the opportunity they have and make the best out of it but instead they just sit and wait for work to be done FOR THEM.

    To have a “Mat Salleh” giving his side of the story is better than having our own people give our side of the story because we would tend to be more bias towards our own race, no?

    I feel that Edrei was looking down only at the bad apples of his own kind. Notice that he doesn’t want people to think that he is the kind of Malay that won’t work hard just because he has special privileges in this country?

  12. viewtru May 31, 2005 at 3:16 am #

    There are also malays who don’t depend on handouts. I once had breakfast in a Malay family-runned shop selling roti canai. And I noticed that his customers were outnumbering those in the neighbouring mamak shops by 3 to 1(not exaggerating!). I visited it a few more times and each time was the same. Roti canai is not exactly standard malay fare so I wondered what his secret was. I think it was becasuse he cared. He looks around every moment to check if every customer is attended too, his teh tarik is superbly made, he does not lift the roti canai from the pan if they are not yet crisp. Every time I walked in I get the feeling that he cared about the service the customer was getting. This is a case of someone without a handout mentality.

  13. Yu Ern May 31, 2005 at 3:30 am #

    When I was studying in the UK, the locals asked me an interesting question: “How do you live in a place like Malaysia? I mean, isn’t there any racial tension between the different races?”
    My simple answer was: ” We accept the situation, adjust to it and achieve what we want to do in life.”
    Perhaps I am a more accommodating person and because I already know that these problems exist, and these problems would not be rectified overnight, I try to channel my energy elsewhere. I am sad to say this, but if we still want to stay in Malaysia, we have to learn to accept that as long as the current government is in power, nothing will change. Having accepted that fact, we can then focus on other matters where we have control over.
    Occassional rants are common. But to make it a big issue and dwell on it, I don’t think its worth our time. After all, the fact is, we do live in harmony. Nobody can deny that. And to that extent, I think we should be grateful. If anyone out there feels that his/her potential cannot be realised due to said alleged preferential treatment over a particular race, you are free to go. The world is your oyster. But if you choose to stay in Malaysia, this is the way its gonna stay for at least the next 20 odd years. Oops. Im too optimistic. Make it 50 years.

  14. belacan May 31, 2005 at 3:32 am #

    I work in a Malay dominated group of companies. I have loads of Malay friends outside the working place too. I can very safely say that there are Malays (or any other race, as a matter of fact) that are smart and hardworking, and then there are those that just “tak boleh harap”. mind you, it’s my Malay frens who told me this.

    in one part of my group, i find many smart and hardworking malay blokes but in another part of the group, you find people who have been sitting there and get gaji buta. that’s why my boss, who is a Malay, sent people like me to kick some asses.

    this is a social thingy. i have been told by a few pro-umno malay youths that the time has come to wake up his fellow folks, but need to thread carefully.

    first of all, let’s start by eradicating poverty irrespective of race. the implementors should not just focus on the malay poor. what about the chinese, indian and orang asli poor? altho i am generalising, but sadly, i think public perception is as such.

    at the end of the day, the non-malays in general do not want another May 13, so those born in this country of ours tolerate and compromise…

  15. kimberlycun May 31, 2005 at 3:33 am #

    i have a question, these whites you knew at the workplace, how is their productivity during the contractual working hours?

    how is the productivity of civil servants and bumi rooted companies during designated working hours?

  16. ShaolinTiger May 31, 2005 at 5:19 am #

    Nah I totally get your point dude, I know it’s on the border, and I have malay friends, I don’t judge them all the same. Just observations I make.

    Majority rules and stereotypes come from some factual roots. I don’t pre-judge people, I get to know them first, but I do observe a lot..

    Plus I wouldn’t class not working after contractual hours as lazy as long as they are productive during the day. It’s normal in UK to do that, it’s just another cultural difference from asia, here you’re expected to stay late every day, in UK if they want you to stay late they have to give you pre-warning, compensate you or at least it has to be important.

  17. michaelooi May 31, 2005 at 5:19 am #

    Sometimes, I try to force myself not to judge people based on their race … like the ideal kind of way … but the whole idea would automatically reset itself each time I get my stuffs done at some government office.

    Like I have a choice.

  18. vincent May 31, 2005 at 5:31 am #

    In the 1997 economic crisis, we learned a very important lesson from Indonesia. Indonesia, like us, is a country where the ethnic majority is much poorer than the minority. When the recession hit, the poor suffered even more and resentment grew. For a few months, riots broke out, and the poorer Indonesia Muslims took to the streets and slaughtered (literally), raped and robbed the richer Chinese.

    For that reason, and that reason alone I feel that those special benefits for bumiputras have to be in place. For a few more generations at least.

  19. Edrei May 31, 2005 at 5:43 am #

    Maybe it’s just me bumping into those bad apples of my own kind but if that’s the case the minority which DOES work hard isn’t enough for me to take notice of it.

    Since almost all my friends are chinese anyway and me being one of those chinese educated people, I seriously think that all these so called privilages force malays to not work and in turn short change everyone else…especially those that do work hard. If I can work hard for something and get it with the road less taken then by all means so can the rest of them.

    Yet a lot of people my age still take their own race privilages for granted. That’s what pisses me off and indirectly makes my life a living hell back home.

  20. NSDS3 May 31, 2005 at 6:48 am #

    One of the issue that is rarely addressed is the treatment of non-Malay bumiputeras by Malay bumiputeras. They are alienated in their own country, the stereotype and prejudice against them is so thick.

  21. Theroadie May 31, 2005 at 7:29 am #

    your racist insinuation shows that you are not exposed to the real world.

    graduate, get a job n start paying taxes.

    i have had dealings with chinese businesses n they are no walk in the part either.

    humility is a mark of intelligence.

  22. kimberlycun May 31, 2005 at 8:58 am #

    for one you could start stating which part of my questions insinuates racism.

    humility is a mark of intelligence. so true. but rather ironic coming from a defensive one who undermines another’s opinions because she is younger, a student and not (yet) paying taxes.

  23. Ganesan Nada May 31, 2005 at 9:31 am #

    Helo friends, Nobody chose his face or his race. So discrimination on racial grounds is practised by the most unintelligent people. Malaysia is a beautiful country but the racial compartmentalisation will destroy the country.

  24. ShaolinTiger May 31, 2005 at 9:33 am #

    Destroy the country? Nah that’s a little far fetched now.

    It causes resent and certain friction, but complete destruction?

    No..

  25. ShaolinTiger May 31, 2005 at 9:36 am #

    Yeah well I feel it’s true, people are essentially afraid or at least aprehensive about new things or things that are different from them, that includes people of other races.

    Thanks, I enjoyed writing it 🙂

  26. ShaolinTiger May 31, 2005 at 9:37 am #

    Relgious freedom is sadly unlikely, but yes it would help the matter a great deal.

    The system did acheive it’s goals, but I believe Malaysia has evolved enough to throw away it’s old broken crutches and walk on it’s own.

    Time to get rid of these draconian oldskool policies and push the country forward with Mahatir’s vision.

  27. Ganesan Nada May 31, 2005 at 9:38 am #

    when peace & harmony is destroyed and when resentment sets in can we live peacefully with our neighbours?

  28. ShaolinTiger May 31, 2005 at 9:39 am #

    There is an exception to every rule 🙂

    Nah honestly speaking I find those Malays outside KL a lot more hardworking, that’s been my experience tho.

    Those in KL are totally indoctrinated by the system.

  29. ShaolinTiger May 31, 2005 at 9:56 am #

    I agree, make the best of it, Malaysia Boleh, at least I can’t accuse anyone here of being unpatriotic, even if they do whinge about their country they still love it.

    There isn’t honestly much that can be done unless the government changes policies, but that’s not going to happen unless it becomes a not islamic government and the PM is non-malay. So not for a lonnnnng time.

  30. ShaolinTiger May 31, 2005 at 9:57 am #

    So so true Mike, you forgive and forget and move on until the next meeting with a civil servant..

  31. ShaolinTiger May 31, 2005 at 10:03 am #

    I agree, but IMHO it’s already past that, I think it shouldn’t be removed abrubtly with a snatch….but at least start phasing it out stage by stage.

  32. Jon Choo May 31, 2005 at 10:34 am #

    I used to be a racist. Am not now but I agree that people have tendencies for stereotyping. Even I. But nowadays I stereotype culture instead of races so when I see a bunch of people, black, asian or white with hooded tops I stereotype them.

    Things are getting a bit worst especially among readers of The Sun, Daily Mail and Daily Express. These three tabloids has for many many months now attack asylum seekers and general immigrants.

    Funny really I have yet to encounter a serious racial slur in my whole seven/eight years in the UK although I have met racists before and even Malaysian Chinese racists who believe in the total domination of the Chinese race.

  33. YP May 31, 2005 at 12:25 pm #

    I guess the main reason the special rights was put into place is no longer valid these days. There’s racial harmony in the country (as compared to the 1950s) and the poverty gap between Malays and non-Malays is much smaller now.

    Do the non-Malays want these rights in place? Do the Malays themselves want these rights in place? I’m sure if you’ll get a mixture of different answers (both yes and no) from both groups. Ideas like keeping people happy, wanting the extra edge.. or ideas like fighting for equality or not wanting one’s abilities to be undermined just because one has special rights…

    Is there a need for special rights to be in place in this time and day? Yes.. because the non-Malay bumis (who, I believe are actually classified differently from the Malays) still need it.. but do they get as easy access to it?

    Something needs to be done, but I doubt our government will do anything in the near future. The seat of power is something too precious to risk.

  34. ShaolinTiger May 31, 2005 at 1:01 pm #

    I partially left UK because of the immigration problem, it’s a fucking joke and people are starting to hate the immigrants..

    It’s not a racist thing, UK is a very moderate place and I didn’t see any widespread racism in the 27 years I lived there.

    The problem is two-fold, both the government are a bunch of limp wristed wankers and don’t enforce strong enough policies and the eastern europeans abusing the system, coming to UK, getting housing benefit, job seekers allowance, free medical care..

    Some people just go to UK to have babies or operations, it’s a fucking disgrace..

    Anyway that’s a whole other rant.

  35. Implosion May 31, 2005 at 8:33 pm #

    Shaolin Tiger, I enjoyed reading your post. I like reading honest, pieces from people who have seen/lived/experienced a bit more of the world outside Malaysia. And being a Malaysian student in the UK/USA/Australia for x number of years doesn’t qualify in really giving you a view of the outside world. And the view is always different from the outside. I have moments when I find myself viewing from the outside, too. I was dissappointed to read somewhere up the board, someone younger made a valid point to do with the subject matter at hand and was countered with a personal attack that had very little to do with the subject matter.

    While I was studying for my second degree, the Malaysian Education Minister had a get-together dinner with Malaysian students. What followed was a speech on how Malaysia hopes to welcome its students back into their country. Q&A session with the minister. A Malaysian chinese student with branded clothes plastered all over him stood up and introduced himself and his course, he emphasized: PhD in Engineering. He asked “What is the government going to do for returning students to ensure we have a competitive working environment to return to- Instead of our going to somewhere like Singapore for better pay and career prospects?” What a little worm, I thought to myself. The Minister of course gave the usual spiel. Then, a quiet and humble malay student in a baju melayu stood up and asked in malay, “When are we going to ban alcohol and night clubs in Malaysia?” How embrassing, I am looking for the nearest exit, I thought to myself. To which the politician replied with his usual spiel again.
    Now, these first two people who stood up were opposite ends of the spectrum. Later on, as I decided not to bolt for the door, more and more moderate people of both races stood up to ask moderate questions. But the fact that they existed tells us that the stereotype has truth in it. There are many money-grabbing chinese in Malaysia. There are loads of lazy malays in Malaysia too.
    I am not too sure how I would back up my statements here- let’s just say a mixture of both is part of every day life, whatever it may be- my parents, my marriage, my friends… etc.
    I totally agree that we can’t live our everyday lives dwelling on it.

  36. Jemey June 1, 2005 at 1:34 am #

    I wonder whether some of those making comments have read Malaysia’s history. As the saying goes.. “those who do not learn from history will be condemned to repeat it”. Talking about civil servants, I wonder… is it any different from the civil servants in China, India or even the USA and UK?

  37. As Suanie Sees It June 1, 2005 at 2:25 am #

    nyah nyah nyah saja want to trackback to show that I know how to use it!

  38. tiger June 1, 2005 at 2:47 am #

    Well said Shaolin Tiger.

    There is still a lot of work to be done by all Malaysians for this country to realise its full potential.

    Agree with you that the NEP and its variants has outlived its useful life and needs phasing out. Perhaps not overnight, but we all need to bear in mind that affirmative action comes at both tangible and intangible costs to the nation.

    On that note, I just have one last thing to say about racism: not all negroes play basketball very well.

    cheers

  39. Sharizal Sharaani June 1, 2005 at 3:49 am #

    Good stuff and I think the comments summed up the many sentiments ppl feel abt racism here in Malaysia.

  40. JacKing June 1, 2005 at 4:30 am #

    Tiger you have made a good observation. How do you see this?

    In Spore, the govt seems to give easier entry to further education and govt job opportunities to the minority, while the majority intending to get in the uni or govt service is on merit. This applies to in Taiwan . Spore may gave their presidentship to a minority. In China, the minorities are given benefits deprived to the majority like ancestral land, number of Babies, places in the uni or govt posts In Aust the abrogines , the minority, though are disciminated, are given reserved places for dwellings and studies.

    In fact, my two observations record that when people are deprived off benefits, whether they are majority or minority, they would strive even harder to get on living.

    In Msia, a lot of Malays are really trying hard to get on living without govt handouts, , but those living on govt handouts still want to continue living with them.
    Thanks.

  41. ShaolinTiger June 1, 2005 at 4:44 am #

    Btw if you all love this post, you can vote me as ping of year for PPS!

    Ping of the Year

  42. ShaolinTiger June 1, 2005 at 4:47 am #

    Thanks for the praise 🙂

    I love Malaysia, and well just want to give my opinion as objectively as I can, if a local posted what I posted it would be construed as racist. For me as a foreigner, it’s on the borderline.

    It’s not something that can be changed immediately, or is even likely to be changed soon, but the more people raise their voices about it (Including the bumi’s themselves, who get the benefits) the more likely it is things will change soon.

    I also know many Malays who endevour their best to do well without taking any of the handouts.

  43. ShaolinTiger June 1, 2005 at 4:51 am #

    It’s definately different in the UK, for the other countries I can’t say as I have no experience.

    Even in Sri Lanka I was suprised at the relative efficiency of their immigration service even though the country is in abject poverty, I was helped with my visa extension even after the counter had officially closed.

    In UK things are pretty efficient too, the systems and procedures put in place make people more efficient and the education system and cultural ideals make people work properly.

    Another dumb example I found today, you don’t get cheque books auto-issued in Malaysia when you only have a few cheques left, you still have to manually apply for a new one…Why? Because they CHARGE you for cheque books, so they can’t make a debit without the person requesting the cheque book.

  44. ShaolinTiger June 1, 2005 at 4:54 am #

    Indeed the country has progressed immensley in the past 10-15 years, but the evolution and improvement is slowing up as KL becomes the Mecca and everywhere else outside gets pushed even further behind.

    The country has immense potential, that’s why I’m here, I want to be part of it!

  45. tiger June 1, 2005 at 6:27 am #

    hey there JacKing – you’ve made a good observation too in the last para of your comment.

    I would exercise some caution in looking up examples from other countries; what you hear or see is not always what is happening on the ground. In the Australian example that you use, there are actually other complications in the picture as well; including massive historical and cultural issues.

    My main argument in having the NEP phased out is that what was once provided as a privilege, is now seen by so many as an entitlement. That is just plain wrong, as it gives clear indication that specific privileges are being taken for granted.

    Something given for free will have no value to the recipient; unless they always remember that it is given as a gift. When one remembers, then only will one place a value on that gift. The day we forget is the day we take the gift for granted, and fail to treat our gifts properly.

    I’m not sure if anyone knows it, but a number of middle east countries practise a kind of discrimination where the locals (or “bumis” if you like)enjoy extensive privileges; with the expense being borne by migrants and expatriates. the UAE is a good example of this kind of discrimination. The point of this remark is that if you think it’s bad in Malaysia, then you haven’t seen anything yet, baby. That one I have seen for myself.

    cheers

  46. Andrew Vong June 1, 2005 at 7:58 am #

    Actually, I, personally, don’t think it matters what race our PM is. I think our current PM is making a great effort. He’s doing the best that he can w/ whatever resources he has at his disposal and with whatever political constraints that are not seen or discussed openly.

    I feel that he is trying to make a gradual change rather than an overnight one. A sudden change, in history, is usually known as a revolution and I’m sure we don’t want that. 🙂

    However, as history tells us, oppress your ppl long enough, and a revolution will result.

    Just my 2 cents worth. 🙂

  47. Andrew Vong June 1, 2005 at 8:06 am #

    Actually, those who were slaughtered, murdered, raped, etc… were NOT the rich indo. chinese. They were the POOR INDO CHINESE who cld not afford to exit the country when all hell broke loose.

    “Why did all hell break loose?”, one wld ask. B’cos their system did not work.

    It’s nothing racial really. It’s ecnoomic. Right on top of the food chain, there are rich indo. malays as well as rich indo. chinese. They just needed a scapegoat to distract the poor’s attention from the rich’s fuck-up so that they don’t get slaughtered themselves.

    Solution? Simple! Get the poor to kill one another. That’ll distract those bastards while the rich make their escape, regardless of race.

    My 2 cents! 🙂

  48. jennhuiwen June 1, 2005 at 10:49 am #

    wow….yeap..kinda agree what u said….i experiance it b4….well..i love this post…

  49. steelrage June 1, 2005 at 4:34 pm #

    hmm i sorta knew this port would stir up so many comments by people. well lets see, I once said some things about my own people i don’t really say that often anymore. Why? well when i was being my own race… it didn’t get me anywhere, when i was trying to be someone else.. it didn’t get me anywhere as well. so whats the point ? What i hate most is, the fact that when i got a scholarship to do my diploma before this, everyone was going oh you go it because you are malay. Hey maybe its true… but maybe it was because my dad wasn’t earning enough and has already reached the age of retirement. I just wished that people would have looked depper into the issue before saying anything like that. Anyway, do i really have the upper hand being a malay? I see none so far.

    Anyway, do i mind that a ‘gwai lou’ says these things about our country? Hell no, i just think that sometimes we ourself s are blinded and maybe that we are just trying to be too damn polite to actually sit down and think about this problem. So sometimes we need someone from the outside to tell us how it looks.

    haha.. about the segregation of races by the british.. I have a whole bloody theory about that… about who the british classified me as.. but thats a whole different story..

    anyway just my two cents.. i don’t even think it makes any sense at all.

  50. FA June 1, 2005 at 7:34 pm #

    you’re SUCH a whore!

  51. Jemey June 1, 2005 at 9:07 pm #

    Your comments are appreciated..in context. But would be better appreciated back home I think, if UK too does have this racial problem in kind. Yes, you have various immigrant groups, but not in sizeable quantities like we have here, which if you care to put in perspective, was not there before if not for your meddling forefathers inititiative. Thus now, to rectify the problems that was not here before, you feel it justified to give some half baked comments on the issue. Nothing could be solved superficially, just by removing this and that, suddenly you are in nirvana. Even with that small minority groups in UK, there are riots and such. And pointedly you said that one of the reasons you came here is because you could not stand the current immigration policies of your home country. How ironic! And you think in the first place we could stand it? The answer to that should be seen in a logical way and not literally because we are not born yet then. “The chicken has come back to roost”. Lets suggest to the UK to reduce the majority to 60% of the population and increase the minorities to 40%, then, if there are any good suggestions from them how to solve the problems, probably it would be appropriate for us to utilise them. There are problems with the civil service, that is generally acknowledged, even by the government, but is it too bad until everything is standing still here? Remembering that Malaysia is not that quite a developed country. How long were you in Sri Lanka to give a glowing comparison to Malaysia. Common sense dictates that just one aspect of the civil service could not be the correct perspective for all isn’t it? And comparing to the UK, well and good if the civil service is efficient there, after all they are already developed, but still, I’m sure, problems exist, and that is after how many hundreds of years of existence. Civil servants thinking is different from private sector workers anywhere in the world for that matter. Bureaucracy dictates that they are not responsible for decisions made but “Arahan Pekeliling” or General Orders are. How could we expect them to be motivated like those in the private sector? Seniority is the general rule of thumb for any increase in salary or rise in positions and such, whereas profit would be the motivator in the private sector. So please, if you care to admit, these things take time and not something you could change with just a wave of the hand, and keep that houlier than thou attitude to yourself.

  52. ShaolinTiger June 1, 2005 at 9:40 pm #

    Not really, it’s not a racial issue. To elaborate, there are Chinese in the UK who are 5th and 6th generation, no one has ever had a problem with them, they cause no trouble, work hard, are self-sufficient and support themselves without bumming off the state.

    There are Pakistanis and Bengalis in droves, some cities are almost like Pakistani districts, (some are reaching 3rd and 4th generation) there are schools that have 0 white childen. There is little problem with this, these people are afforded the same rights as locals and again many of them are doctors, lawyers, civil servants and integral parts of the community.

    The problem occurs with the Eastern Europeans and oher Eastern block immigrants abusing the system for their own gain with little or no regard or respect for the country.

    And from what I know about opinions of my ‘meddling forefathers’ is that your country would still be in econmic disparity and lacking any decent education system if it wasn’t for them, yes they may of made some adminstrative errors, like the racial segregation, but no one and no system is perfect as you yourself state. Also remember the British dealt with the upper echelons of the Malay culture, not the others, so the idea of the elite Malays to keep the masses, including those of other races in a subordinated position.

    The UK was responsible for the creation of the plantation system and commercialisation of agriculture, the framework for the present-day transportation system, the introduction of English and an educational system, multiracialism and modern political institutions.

    Very interesting piece here: Racial Relations in Malaysia

    I was in Sri Lanka for 6 weeks, but how is that relevant, it’s not like you interact with the civil service every week, how often do you go to SOCSO office? EPF office? Passport office? Immigration services? Maybe 2-3 times a year? That small contact is enough for everyone in Malaysia to have formed an opinion of the civil service here.

    And I agree, civil service is always different, they are underpaid and more reluctant to work hard due to the very nature of the structure, but that doesn’t mean there’s room for improvement.. UK has had some major problems, mostly with a shortage of teachers and recently nurses.

    I appreciate your comments, and I shall not ask you to keep your opinions to yourself, I shall also afford myself the same right, and express my opinions. If you agree with them or not, that’s your initiative.

  53. Jemey June 1, 2005 at 10:10 pm #

    Comments are appreciated but not in the manner that everything could be solved instantly, like it was there all the time just to be taken anytime. There is a historical perspective to all these, thats the point I’m trying to make. I wonder if you have taken the time to really learn about this country’s history before trying to give comments. On the other hand, we have to learn about UK’s history, even if not in detail. There is a social contract involved, that was agreed before by this country’s founding fathers. Any discussion about service, business and work etc over here would invariably include issues related to race. Lets face the facts. Thats what you get when you get the racial composition like we do here. And thats UNLIKE what you have in the UK.

  54. ShaolinTiger June 1, 2005 at 10:24 pm #

    Quoting myself from this very thread:

    “It’s not something that can be changed immediately, or is even likely to be changed soon, but the more people raise their voices about it (Including the bumi’s themselves, who get the benefits) the more likely it is things will change soon.”

    Plus you are an intelligent person, you should know history is not fact, it’s merely a subjective story imposed by whoever was in power at the time. Depending if you look at British history, Malay history or Malaysian Chinese history you will get three different stories. And yes I’ve read the stories, not all but some. I’m not a great fan of history, that includes British History, learn from past mistakes but don’t dwell on them 🙂

  55. ~kAy~ June 2, 2005 at 1:53 am #

    to edrei: don’t whine because u r being discriminated by ur own race. dont blame em. sometimes u should stop and question about ur own self. being arrogant wont do much of a help. if u are as open minded as what u claimed u are, why dont u just adapt urself with the surrounding? its a matter of choices edrei. dont blame the malays for that. sometimes u have to blame urself too…

  56. Shell June 2, 2005 at 3:29 am #

    Oh come on.. please dun generalize. It happens everywhere..! Deal with it! *lost of words.. too angry*

  57. vlad June 2, 2005 at 3:38 am #

    AH the ashes of Ku Y’Leh. I have been searchin for this for quite a while.

    Wait, what is this? Geez I stepped in the wrong room.

  58. Kaclick June 2, 2005 at 6:51 am #

    Special perks for natives of a country is a normal practice throughout the world. Isn’t giving out Dole a form of special perks? Then why do non-Bumis make such a big fuss about 5% discounts anyway?

    In my opinion, Mahathir did the right thing by giving out these little perks for the Malays. They won’t be able to survive in the real world without some help. I’m not saying all of them are unintelligent, but we must agree they are not on par with them Chinese or Indians. Mahathir knew this, and he foresaw the problems that’ll arise if the Bumis were living in wooden shacks while immigrants (Indians and Chinese) own big bungalows and drive fancy cars.

    Let’s just take a look at Indonesia, shall we? The natives don’t have any special privileges, everyone’s equal in the eye of the ruling government. What happened? Are the natives just as enterprising and successful as the Chinese in Indonesia? I don’t think so. The whole damn country is owned by Chinese. You don’t get too many Chinese Indonesian maids working here in Malaysia, do we?

    Anyway, getting back to the point I was trying to make..

    By providing those little perks to the Bumis, Mahathir has avoided having racial tensions among the Bumis and non-Bumis. Bumis don’t look at Chinese or Indians with envy because they too can afford big houses and fancy cars, albeit, with a little help from the government. This in turns maintains peace among the largest ethnic group in the country and the minorities. I say 5% is not too big a price to pay for that…

    Sorry if I offended anyone.

  59. steelrage June 2, 2005 at 7:08 am #

    FA why am I a whore !? eeks..

  60. ShaolinTiger June 2, 2005 at 8:41 am #

    Not you dude, me! 😛

  61. ShaolinTiger June 2, 2005 at 8:43 am #

    I agree with your sentiment, but actually it isn’t the same in any country, or not many anyway.

    In UK the Dole is afforded to everyone that’s a british citizen, they could be african, chinese, malay, indian or pakistani, it doesn’t matter.

    It’s not so much the 5% that’s the biggest problem, it’s the bias in the education system that causes the laziness and disparity between the races. The solution to solve the problem is only propogating it further.

    I think Malaysia has moved far ahead of Indonesia now in all other terms and perhaps it’s time to start phasing things out?

  62. Kaclick June 2, 2005 at 8:09 pm #

    Yep, I too believe it’s about time they started phasing things out. Guess the burden lies on our Prime Minister. Let’s all wish him good luck, shall we?

  63. minishorts June 2, 2005 at 8:57 pm #

    the really good thing that came out of this thing was knowing that many people really do care.

    fantastically.

    and it also proved that, birthrights, or merely letters on formal identification papers, or words on a certificate proclaiming religion/race doesn’t define who loves our country more.

  64. dawg June 2, 2005 at 10:30 pm #

    Fantastic post mate! You certainly hit the nail on the head.

    I can’t help but agree with your assertion that the anachronistic racial policies currently enforced by the government is leading the country down the road of utter ruin.

    To gain that valuable piece of insight one only has to look at the state of Malaysian society today. The education system is a disgrace. The civil service is irredeemably corrupt.
    The government-backed oligarchies are massively inefficient and utterly hopeless in the face of free competition due to suffocating protectionism. And to what end? That the political parties may retain the support of the grass roots? That the politicians, with their vested interest in the status quo, may continue to reap without sowing?

    Racially -polarised politcs should not have to be a part of the equation of power any longer. It is detrimental to the holistic development of the society as a whole and it will only perpetuate the blight of sectarianism in our midst. Yet we still find our supposed betters delivering the same populist rhetoric and pandering to the same racist tendencies in order to maintain their respective bases of power. And thus we find education, the only viable antidote to racism, prostituted on the altar of power in the name of satisfying those racist tendencies and thereby perpetuating the vicious cycle of racism electing racism! Such is the sorry state of Malaysian politics.

    I was born a Malaysian and I will die a Malaysian. Malaysia is more of a homeland to me than either China or India ever will be. So why am I still being treated like a barely tolerated outsider in my own country, my rodina?

    Shao, I salute thee for bringing this matter to light.

  65. Kenjiro June 3, 2005 at 12:15 am #

    I don’t see the bumi surrendering the ‘special privileges’.
    One way to solve this problem is to introduce a special privileges for the new generation for all races … then from there, we can work forward

  66. tiger June 3, 2005 at 2:29 am #

    Girl, nobody can or should generalise about any particular ethnic group.

    I have met lazy and hard-working people; bright and silly; humble and totally lansi. I can tell you that nationality, race and skin colour are not factors in determining whether a person is lazy, humble, etc.

    For every lazy / stupid / arrogant malay that you point out, I can also give you the name & location of an equally lazy / stupid / arrogant person of another race / nationality / skin colour.

    So please don’t miss the original point of ST’s post; that being the detrimental effects of ethnicity-based affirmative action.

    cheers

  67. tiger June 3, 2005 at 2:35 am #

    Bro, Tun Razak was the one who signed off on the NEP implementation; as well as the Rukunegara.

    Tun Mahathir was following through on implementation of the NEP, and as was the norm he did it in his own way.

    Tun Mahathir did do a lot of great things for Malaysia, and it wasn’t just Bumis who benefited.

    cheers

  68. kimberlycun June 3, 2005 at 3:56 am #

    Uncle, I’m merely pointing out the flaw of the system that is affecting that major drivers (civil servants and bumi rooted corporations) of the country. i neither stereotype nor insinuate racism from my post. my fundamental point in my 1st comment was the flawed policies that are detrimental to the development of this country, which also I believe is ST’s point in his article. so where did I skew? you can tell me again.

  69. Kaclick June 3, 2005 at 6:41 am #

    Say what you may, I think the general population of Malaysia are indeed happy with how things are. We got it good, somewhat. We’ve got broadband, don’t we? 😛

  70. Zoe June 3, 2005 at 10:27 am #

    I agree with u ST… being a malaysian myself, ever since i was a kid, dad keeps telling me, ” work hard and get a job overseas” and i went into a blur? HUH? Overseas?.. Now that I’m older, I finally understood. there’s no room for the Chinese compared to the special privileges for the malays/bumiputras especially in Colleges, Unis and even places for Form 6. I find that bloody ridiculous.. Whatever happened to equality among the people of various races? malaysia is supposedly to be a multicultural country with fairness amongst all. apparently not I found out as i grew older. Dad worked his ass off for sure in order to send me abroad and to somewhat receive a better education. Tsk tsk to racial bias.. Doesnt mean that I dont love Malaysia thou.. Just reckon theres too much room for improvement thats all…

  71. Zoe June 3, 2005 at 10:30 am #

    Another thing. GET OUT OF THE BLOODY COMFORTABLE ZONE U BLOODY XXXXXXX. !! 9-5 jobs will not make u friken rich .. and the worst thing is that you dont even ATTEMPT to try to lead a better life. Just busy bitching and complaining bout the economy at those warungs smoking yer asses off burning all yer $$.

  72. dawg June 3, 2005 at 12:30 pm #

    What we need is a more assertive minority representation in the government. We Malaysian chinese and indians need our very own Malcolm X.

    The current establishment is beyond reform. The MCA and MIC, originally formed to safeguard the interests of the minorities, has evolved into nothing more than collectives bent on safeguarding their own interests as opposed to that of their constituents. The opposition parties, most of whom are organised along simliar racial lines, are no less corrupt than the ruling party. A choice between the lesser of two evils is not a choice at all IMHO.

    What we need, in fact, is an alternative pan-racial political party whose composition is based on pure merit, like those of other more sucessful democracies. Something that will give Malaysian voters a real alternative to the old regime. Keadilan was a failed experiment as a pan-racial party not because it was but because it was primarily formed as an impromptu reaction to Anwar’s incarceration. Keadilan did not present a viable shadow cabinet nor did it elaborate on its agenda beyond that of freeing Anwar and the abolishment of the ISA. No, what we need is an overhaul of the entire political system altogether!

  73. dawg June 3, 2005 at 12:37 pm #

    The fact that the average Malaysian’s lot is much better as compared to some other countries is not an excuse for complacency. We can do better.

  74. Edrei June 4, 2005 at 10:58 am #

    Kay: Adapt myself to my surrouding. So I should just let them be lazy and take everything we have for granted? I don’t think so. This isn’t a matter of racial discrimination. This is a matter of conflict of principles and ideals. I dislike the fact that a lot of the malays I know take everutjing they have for granted and instead choosing to rely on the system that the government has supplied to them and instead talk about how they don’t have enough privilages to begin with.

    The saddest thing is…these aren’t just working class people…these are teenagers in Universities. If that’s the future replacement for our workforce…how could I not worry?

  75. Zied June 5, 2005 at 7:12 pm #

    Stereotyping sucks but we all do it and it happens to us all. More relevant to this post is my experience few months ago with a Malaysian-chinese surgical registrar. In the UK this was. Being a Malaysian in the UK, knowing there’s another fellow Malaysian nearby always excites me as it makes me feel close to home. When it comes to Malaysians, I have no sense of Malay or Chinese or Indian or others. To me, we are all Malaysians. So, when I found out this Surgical Registrar is a Malaysian, I was like..whoopee..someone from back home. I introduced myself etc. Only to be responded to coldly. Not once. Every single time. Because I had to deal with him at work so many times, not understanding why he’s like that with me, and not to Kelvin or Vincent(also Malaysian)I decided not to take it personally–I decided to treat him like another person, as if I didn’t know he was Malaysian..until this one day, to my surprise he was suddenly ‘friendly’ to me. I have always wondered about the change in his attitude. Is it because he saw me beyond my Malay race? Or maybe it has nothing to do with it at all?

    I am not sure how to react to the Bumiputra privileges. I got my scholarship from JPA at 17,at that point I didn’t even know there was such a thing! I only realised it at Uni because one of my Malaysian-Chinese friend likes to bring the topic up. I feel upset because without the scholarship I wouldn’t even dare to dream of visiting the UK, let alone studying in the UK. And she expresses her anger and resentment and all, and I do not know how to respond because whether I agree or not, that is how things are. Does it mean I am taking handouts? My friend’s father is well off enough to pay all her expenses and her sibs’, from Alevels through to Uni in the UK, to the extent that she can own a brand new car in the second year and own cool clothes, only for me to watch with envy as my tight budget ‘handouts’ can never afford me such luxuries. She sometimes make me feel guilty for being ‘privileged’ but she is the priveleged one, no?

  76. no future you can see July 21, 2005 at 5:11 am #

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    Public universities and institutions of higher learning are set up and run using public funds. In other words – taxpayers’ money with all races being taxed on the same rate.

    Therefore every citizen should have the fundamental right to enjoy the same benefits provided by these public-funded institutions.

    In private colleges and universities, local or overseas, students pay a hefty sum for the tuition fees.

    Except for some privileged few from wealthy families who do not even consider the local universities as an option, most are from middle- or working-class families who have to take a study loan or use their parents’ life savings to pay for the fees.

    And there are some who do not even have such avenues.

    The declining standard of universities in Malaysia is so glaring that everyone knows about it but does not wish to talk about it.

    Every educated man on the street knows about the double standards in our education system. We hear the Education Ministers comparing matriculation and the STPM stating that they are comparable in standards.

    Most educationists know that they are not of the same standard but the question most people would ask is if they are of the same standard why not have a common entry examination for all Malaysians?

    When quality is sacrificed at the altar of quantity, this is what will happen.

    But instead of learning from these mistakes, our Education Ministry announced that it wants more substandard students to enter local universities so that we will have more graduates. What we will have in the end is a perpetual dependence on foreign labour.

    The prime minister was moaning about the attitude of always waiting for subsidies and handouts. He shouldn’t blame anyone but the government.

    The Umno-led government’s folly of spoon-feeding for the last 35 years means that they now cannot change the ‘subsidy mindset’ without risking losing seats in a general election.

    They wanted to help the bumi but they went about it the wrong way and for far too long. In the process the non-bumi has become more resilient and hence more sought after by the private sector which unlike the government, is not inclined to pay fat salaries for dead wood.

    There is a saying, ‘As you sow, so shall you reap’.

    All we can do is pray that those in power will arrest this dangerous problem in the education system immediately

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  77. run away July 26, 2005 at 9:30 pm #

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    First of all, are we (the non-bumis, that is) really to believe that the government will abolish or tone down the New Economic Policy in the near future? We must be realistic, if you have the right to buy a property at a discount and have scholarships for your children, would you let go of these rights?
    With Chinese population dwindling in Malaysia, what needs to be done depends on the Chinese themselves.

    There is nothing wrong with the brain drain. In fact, we should encourage our children to move to Singapore, Taiwan, China etc. if we disagree with Malaysian government policies that are based on race and religion.

    When it comes to the matter of the dwindling number of Chinese Malaysians, we should talk about quality, not quantity.

    We should resolve why the Chinese-Malaysian population is reducing. Official figures have more than one million Chinese Malaysians emigrating over the past 25 years. Why did they emigrate? I am sure the government knows.

    Straight A students can’t get scholarships or university places. Nothing new, it’s been that way for the past 35 years. Nowadays, even enlightened malay Malaysians are speaking up on this injustice. The MCA and Gerakan? Busy making money from private colleges.

    What’s so great about having TAR College or Utar which took more than 35 years of begging? Why should it be so difficult to set up an independent university when we have scores of public ones?

    While we push young talented people away, other countries notably Singapore, the US and Australia welcome them with open arms.

    Is it logical that we drive away our young talented ones and then invite retired Mat Sallehs to live here and exploit our low-cost of living?

    Singapore’s success in particular owes much to these ex-Malaysians or their descendants including Hon Sui Sen, Goh Keng Swee, Goh Chok Tong, just to name a few.

    About 30 percent of top management in both Singapore’s government and corporate sector are ex-Malaysians. We export them so that Singapore can compete with, and then whack us.

    Korea and Taiwan, both way behind us in the 70s and 80s are now way ahead. Thailand is breathing down our necks.

    Sadly, there is just no integrity in the nation’s leadership.

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  78. kill all malay pig August 10, 2005 at 1:33 pm #

    This malay pig race is so stupid, that they’d never amount to anything in this world.

    This message board has been here for awhile, and if anyone goes back, there is no one message, that talks good about this stupid malay pig race, because everybody knows how stupid, and hateful this malay pig race is all about.

    The malay pig will crumble from internal weaknesses and disappear in era of globalization……….no need for others to colonize them.

    Because malay pig like to be parasites and feed on the Chinese’s income tax!

    Wait until the malay pig population increases to 90% in Malaysia, the same ratio as in Indonesia, then you will know the meaning of poor, as there will be too many malay pig to subsidize.

    Then the economy collapses.

    The malay pig are actually digging their own grave..……and they are trying to dig a deeper and bigger one now.……

    But all of them I have to see are being manipulated by certain top malay politicians so they will support them……..

    That shows that the general malay pig are quite stupid and can’t think outside the box..…….

    Only 1% of the malay pig can make it and they are the exceptions. If malay pig are not stupid, what are they?

    If all malay pig jump into sea and all die.

    This world will become very very beautiful.

  79. malaysia no future December 4, 2005 at 2:15 pm #

    The problem with Malaysia ministers is that they are mostly underachievers academically!

    That is the reason why they simply speak without logic and reasons. This is also the very reason that I admire Lim Kit Siang, Karpal, etc, who can debate intelligently with those monkeys who never bother to understand what is uttered.

    Just compare the resume of Malaysia ministers with that from our southern neighbour! Then you will understand.

    I know their prime minister has a first class honors in science from Cambridge if I am not mistaken. The rest of his cabinets are very highly qualified. Hence you don’t hear nonsense from them.

    For your information, some Malaysia ministers would not be at all qualified for even an assistant post!

    Our country leaders, not necessary meaning the prime minister, but overall people in power, people of authority, etc have no integrity, no moral, no self respect and most of no accountability and responsibility.

    Let’s not compare with other countries, as no countries have perfect leaders, but what they have is integrity.

    When they do something wrong and they know it is wrong, nobody need to tell them to resign, they won’t say our Malaysia usual line “Nobody can resign me except the prime minister” – we should call this the ball-less line.

    If you have integrity and honest enough, you should just resign.

  80. run away December 7, 2005 at 4:31 pm #

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    For those who are already in oversea and live comfortably. There is no reason for you to come back to Malaysia. Life in Malaysia is getting tougher each day.

    Frankly, as a Chinese, I don’t see there is any future for our next generation.

    Another dangerous mentor that people always use is JFK “Don’t ask what the country can do for you, ask what you can do for the country”.

    Is sound nice, but isn’t how German Nazi and Japan militarism started the world war using the same mentor? Under the great “ask what you can do for the country”.

    Patriotism? Yes, I understand how you feel. Your love for the country was spoilt by the political party. Since non-malays will always be a second-class citizen, so you are probably the same in any other countries, if not better.

    You get cannibalised by your own countrymen, intellectually and professionally.

    As someone else advised, be a Global citizen.

    Patriotism does not need you to be in Malaysia to work your due. Let no one pointed at you and say you are a traitor if your true intention is to generate good deeds for Malaysia wherever you are.

    Save your time about coming back to Malaysia. Nothing will change in Malaysia. At least not even in this lifetime. Racism will still be here to stay, and also everything else.

    I think there is such an entrenched discrimination against the Chinese and Indians in Malaysia, that it will take probably a whole generation to undo the damage.

    This is happening in whole spectrum of the Malaysian government, civil service, state governments and universities. Just look at percentage of malays in all these government bodies – 98%……….

    A whole generation of malays has been brought up to think that it’s their inherited right to own Malaysia. The other races are damned.

    I think the malays especially those in power, are scared right now that if they will to compete openly with other races, they will surely be the loser. You will see very strong resistance to hire other races even the most qualified.

    The malays are never brought up to compete on even ground. This is fault of previous PM and now the present PM has to tread a balance ground to ensure the malays are not cast away as well as to make Malaysia competitive worldwide.

    In US I never met a malay immigrant, although there are thousands of Malaysian Chinese and Indian immigrants. Why? Malays in Malaysia have an easier life where they are literately prince of the land.

    We have infrastructure good enough to be considered first world or better. Look at the Cyberjaya, Petronas Twin Towers, Putrajaya?

    Gleaming high-rise buildings but also in every city, dirty toilets abound, litter clogging up the drains, public telephones damaged, plus unreliable rubbish collection and disposal. We just treat public facilities badly, not caring about others.

    Being an urban dweller myself, I am constantly disheartened by the poor public infrastructure and upkeep in our capital city.

    Faulty pedestrian traffic signals, illogical positioning of bus stops, poor public cleanliness, poor quality sidewalks (which are paved using slippery tiles), un-integrated and poorly managed public transportation system, the list goes on.

    Your children can’t even walk safely along the Kuala Lumpur streets, as they might be bags snatched, kidnapped, murdered, raped, or robbed, as they do not know the jungle laws of Malaysia. The police won’t help much as they now have a big pile of corruption cases running after them.

    You owe nothing to Malaysia, you pay your due, so live on.

    So, my last advice. Don’t come back unless you are really suffering in oversea.

    I’m sorry this sounds very racist but I think we have to be honest in discussion.

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  81. Chinese Hero December 21, 2005 at 1:14 am #

    I would never come back to Malaysia. It sucks……control of malays. They have no rights for chinese or whatsoever. The chinese, indians and other races worked hard to pay their tax while the malays just spend it. Where is the rights??? . I did watch a documentary on the history of Singapore…..few days ago….There’s an incident of the joining of Singapore and Malaysia. The main reason Mr. Lee Kuan Yew doesn;t wanna join with Malaysia is because Tunku Abdul rahman wanted the malays to stay power on the political side and the others second class citizen. If during that time Tunku Abdul rahman were to treat everyone the same…..malaysia will be as rich and famous as Singapore today.

  82. Jackal May 27, 2006 at 10:14 pm #

    In general, I noticed people at the northern side of the world are more richer and powerful in comparison to the people at the southern side of the world which have to struggle to survice.

    What do you all think? This is not racist remarks, face the true.

  83. Jackal May 27, 2006 at 10:24 pm #

    The malays will not rise if they do not have the correct character and disipline to compete with other races.

    I will doubt so if the year 2020, the Malays can achieve the target that they wanted.

  84. Rob July 20, 2006 at 12:00 am #

    ST
    shame on you for comment 78 kill all malay pig
    that is inciting racial hatred- you should have deleted it!

  85. pirates November 14, 2006 at 6:45 pm #

    most malays apply this type of thinking. uncivilised is a way of showing that they are humble. And being funny (in a sarcastic and intimidating way) makes them friendly. found it on wikipedia. some anonymous user edited the page. he must be really pissed at malays.

  86. loyalmalaysian December 2, 2006 at 9:19 pm #

    i am fellow malaysian who left malaysia when i was in 17 years old and i would never go back.
    Why?…i am born and bred in m’sia and treated like second class…and i go to s’pore and become a PR and get treated equally…get access to a world class University and graduated with a degree that the world recognized…could i have got that in M’sia? NOT a chance…my foot…
    to me m’sia is just pure racist shits…everything that the malays say is just intended to blame the so-called non-muslims, i.e Chinese/indians…but they don’t see that they are the ones to blame for driving out all the chinese/indians..well to me i don’t mind saying that you silly guys can have malaysia to yourself and do whatever you want to your country because it’s a gone shit country to me….i am just ashamed to call myself a malaysian so i’ll be burning that passport in the drain soon and pay tribute to John Howard!..

  87. bspecific December 19, 2006 at 4:48 am #

    Well most of the comments are true and some are just plain emotional with no stand at all..

    All i have to say is..

    Life is too short to be pissed at one another..

    Get on with your live, be thankful and appreciate what you got and have now before it’s gone..

    Maybe Malaysia ain’t a perfect country but it’s still yours..

    If you’re not even proud of your own country then where do you belong in this world?

    Not every citizen in a country is happy with the ways things are going…

    Look at America..Indonesia..Iraq and so on..
    I don’t need to explain the way things are there..
    To me, Malaysia is the best and the most peaceful country where everyone get along…

    Don’t ruin it…BE THANKFUL..
    Syukur alhamdullilah..

  88. NS sucks! December 28, 2006 at 12:21 pm #

    I think racism in malaysia is an open secret-everybody knows it, especially those maligned. It is not just an issue of bumis getting a 7% discount on houses, it is much more than that!

    I am forced to study in a private college because i can’t gain entry into a public one. I tried to apply for a place in Matrikulasi but of course, failed. If u ask me why, i would say that my results were too damn good! I am not boasting. When i went to the education ministry to submit my form, i saw a lot of applicants (bumis only) who onli had a few Cs or even Ds for their SPM and i bet every one of them got into Matrikulasi.

    I have a lot of friends studying STPM. Their next hurdle is the entry into public universities. Most of my friends are brilliant students. If they are given the course they chose, I’m sure they are capable of contributing a lot to the community.

    But no, every year you hear smart, intelligent chinese students denied entry into public universities or denied the course of their choice. Again, they are too smart for their own good. Is there such a thing? Of cos there is-seen in the case of a straight-A student getting a course in FISHERY!Haha, wat crap!

    The Malays are afraid of the chinese students and try to keep them out because they know they will NEVER find the strength to compete fairly! So they resort to a coward’s way out. Pray how long can they do this? Probably they will do it until all that is left in Malaysia are Malays holding degrees that ARE NOT recognised ANYWHERE in the world!

  89. Lowzeewee December 28, 2006 at 11:11 pm #

    The unequal Malaysian education policy actually benefits Singapore, with all these intelligent young ones moving down the causeway for a good cause in a good way.

    Of course, the Malaysian government whines endlessly about it, firing arrows at Singapore for being a “talent poacher” – Draining brains out of Malaysia. But in the end they still stick to their stubborn, ridiculous stance which does the country no good in the long run. For example, inept, incompetent Malay “doctors” who should not even be able to practise in the first place flood the country’s hospitals and clinics, and as we all know, numerous accidents have already occured in Malaysian hospitals due to carelessness…

  90. Leslie December 29, 2006 at 12:26 am #

    I was a byproduct of this so called policy. After my SPM i had the eagerness to apply to study in the local Uni, before then wanting to take the STPM in one of Ipoh’s top school.

    But my aunt who was a then headmistress of one of KL’s most famous school advised me not to. Reason being, no matter how good you are you could never get to study what you want in Local Uni.

    So taking an advice from a very learned intelligent lady who spent her life dedicated to teaching others to be good humans, i took the plunge into A- Levels. It wasnt my best choice as my family had business problems and were losing $$$. We were on the verge of bankruptcy at that time.

    So i told myself, no matter what. i have to do good, it will be a shame to let them down.

    I finished it with 3 distinctions and 1 credit applied for Cambridge, what the heck, i had good results back then so… why not aim for the best.

    Also at the same time… i applied for Singapore Govt’s scholarship…

    However due to me with my egoness and pride, i screwed Cambridge’s interview up.
    SO i applied for Manchester Uni and got in.. haha, at this time SG Govt hasn’t come back to me yet. Heck.. i dont need them. i dont want to be bonded by a kiasu govt, although i knew they would welcome we very much.

    During that time, 1/4 of Malaysia’s best and brightest was approached by the SG Govt, dont ask me how they did it, they had their ways.

    Almost all were offered bondage either to study at NUS or overseas. Thats how SG attracts talent similar like USA. SO WAT WHo gives a damn abt your own country… lets go work and be loyal to another country.

    So I stuck myself in England for my degree and came out pretty ok.. hahaha…..And I had partial scholarship for Year 3 to offset 50% of my fee’s back then. They, Uni M, was very willing to offer me it on condition I did some research work for them, which was why I got myself stuck again for another 2 years in Uni working for them. I regretted no taking up a Masters Research at that time, I seriously regretted. Given a chance I wanna do it.

    Well…. Why am I boasting abt all this… its because. A simple reason, MY COUNTRY, MALAYSIA, where I was born will never offer something like this. Yes my parents stuck their ass off in the plantation they had to pay thru their nose to keep my ass in England.i do admit I have some form of luxury but the main thing is, SG Govt and UK offered me something MY Own Country couldn’t give. Which is opportunity.

    Why is it so many Malaysians, FYI, more than 2 million have left this country since 1970 to other western nations it is because of such policies. Till today… if there is not much choice left I will leave this country again probably permanently if I have no other opportunities left.

    My friends whom I studied with, 75% of them refused to return to work in Malaysia, also one of my old buddies is working in US and he is one of the top designers for the American F-15 Eagle radar systems. So what has Malaysia lost, talent and experience and most of all opportunity.

  91. Leslie December 29, 2006 at 12:32 am #

    You might be wondering why i am still in Malaysia, simple my parents are in the prime of their years, and i owe them something. So i have to be here…back in Malaysia..

  92. Leslie December 29, 2006 at 12:37 am #

    Also one thing, from where i come from, i only believe in meritocracy, Only the fittest can survive. If you cannot compete with others thats your problem… If u think the Govt can help you, think again… They can’t help forever, globalisation is knocking on your door, i work with many nationalities from everywhere, and they share one common goal, to Compete is to Excel. To be a laggard is to Die a slow painful death.

  93. Leslie December 29, 2006 at 12:52 am #

    Last note before i go, i’m not racist. i used to have a very lovely Malay GF for 5 years and i am Chinese. Now she is working in France as a Biochemical Scientist making new stuff to be sold to idiotic Malaysian local company’s who will pay a bomb for what has been done by a Malaysian scientist.

    No she is not your regular Malay gal, nope she is not the flirty type,she is kick ass smart and intelligent, yes she is 100% Muslim still knows and wears the tudung and is still a practising firm Muslim and not those Western free life that you think despite living in the West close to 10 years.

    She did say if she studied or worked in Msia, she would not have gotten this chance of her lifetime.

    Why she won’t come back, do you seriously think any Malaysian co will know how to employ her not less make use of her, she would probably end up sipping teh tarik and indulging in useless talk all day long.

    Anyway she makes good $$, her family visits her every year, she comes back for Hari Raya, YES she DOES, the only difference is that she is working in a company which sells technology to stupid local co’s who have no brains to implement it. HAHAHAHA… And is not in Malaysia !

    So not only others who feel dejected, the bumi’s themselves as well, there are quite a number of Bumi’s in England and US.. working and not contributing to Msia’s development except probably in monetary term.

  94. Diane Chin Levinson March 5, 2007 at 6:13 am #

    You are insightful and hit the nail right on the head of the Malaysian racism. I am glad my family left for the USA. Thanks to my smart and visionary father. He felt there is not much future for us in Malaysia as Chinese. Even if we excel in our studies, we won’t fair well in Malaysia. One of my Nephews won a full scholarship to Stanford Medical School. I don’t think the Malaysian government will even offer him a place in the Malaysian local University.
    Even though USA has its own form of racism, I have not felt it living in the San Francisco Bay Area. Even there is, it is not to the degree in Malaysia. It is blatant, blunt and out there. No one can advertise for tenant of a specific race. I was appalled to Read in a paper: “Only bumiputra welcome!”
    If anything like this is even published in a newspaper in the USA, oh boy that would be a field trip for Lawyers. They will lick you clean!!!!
    I hope the Malaysia government will change its policy soon because they will be loosing more brains and brains drain is not good for the development of Malaysia.
    More of my relatives are continuing to migrate to UK, Australia and the USA.
    Believe me, it’s better there than living in Malaysia.

  95. deeQ August 15, 2007 at 3:14 am #

    Willing to take a 70% pay cut to come back to M’sia? Are you kidding me ? .. If the non-bumi’s want to be heard. They should announce this discrimination to the world. Make the world hear them. Even if it cannot change the country’s system of favouring bumi’s , at least dudes from other countries knows how to judge the level of quality between the favoured and the unfavoured ones.

  96. scoboy February 15, 2008 at 5:16 pm #

    This posting was done several years ago… any update shaolintiger? Do you think the situation has gotten worse since you last left off in May 2005?

    I personally will never return to KL after enduring years of trying to push for change.. The change aimed for, was purely driven by my expectations and ego.

    I didn’t leave because I was a pussy… I left because I was exhausted with trying to combat my fustrations at turning Malaysia into a world class society with intellectual and innovative thinking.

    Unfortunately in order for change, one must believe. In order for belief there must be dialogue. These issues are all very sensitive, hence the unlikely event of change ever to occur in Malaysia.

    The Majority being Malays will never opt to have their birth right of Positive racial discriminative laws taken away because the majority of Malays are too short sited. I can say this because it is the majority who have voted for BN to stay in power hence endorse Racist policies.

  97. ken March 4, 2008 at 1:23 pm #

    Hi, as if things are not bad enough with current issues. Some of us even want to ‘denounce’ their own race! Please check out NST :

    http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Monday/National/2175500/Article dated 03/03/2008.

    Call us Malays, say Indian Muslim youth

    KUALA LUMPUR: Members of the Malaysian Indian Muslim Youth Movement (Gepima) want to be known as Malays and not Indians.

    And they do not think this is an outrageous request since the Federal Constitution states that an Indian is a Malay “if he professes the Muslim religion, habitually speaks Malay and conforms to Malay custom”.

    These traits are practised by Muslims of Indian origin today, claimed Gepima president Mohamed Kader Ali.

    “I am a second generation Malaysian and I can safely say that from wedding rituals to the food we eat and the language we speak, we conform to Malay customs all the way.

    “As such, Gepima is appealing to the government to streamline the laws and recognise Muslims born after independence as Malays in their birth certificate.

    “We have been facing this problem for the past 50 years.

    “We have written several letters to the National Registration Department but it keeps saying that it can’t do anything about this.”

    Kader’s son, 24-year-old Syed Osman Mohamed, cited an incident last August when he went to the Registrar of Companies to apply for a business permit.

    “In the forms that I filled up, I stated Malay as my race and Islam as my religion. But the officer called me up and asked me to change it to Indian, based on how I looked.

    “He only had my MyKad and it does not state there whether I am Indian or not,” Syed Osman said.

    “We feel uncomfortable to be known as Indians, because people automatically think we are Hindus when we are actually Muslim.”

    Kader added that Muslims of Indian origin suffered an inferiority complex by being regarded as Indians.

    “Our children do not even know how to speak Tamil.

    “They only converse in Malay and our wives wear baju kurung or kebaya nowadays, no more the saree.”

    ==============
    Looks like, ‘if you can’t beat them, join them’ situation !

    How can anyone even dare to say such a thing? No one can their race because that is who you are but one can choose to change their religion because of their faith in what they belief.

    Once an Indian, Chinese, Malay etc, one will still be of that same race of origin regardless of religion.
    Know and be proud of your roots, people !

  98. Jy June 22, 2008 at 2:53 am #

    Hie,just stumbled on this website when i was seething with anger at Malays who get scholarships to study in UK.

    Let me enlighten everyone here. If getting ‘gaji buta’ is not bad enough for u, think about those who get JPA / MARA / PNB scholarships to go overseas. Some of them have to repeat almost every year.

    If that’s not bad enough, a whole lot of them actually go get married while still studying (although the contract explicitly states ‘ no marrying please”. And does the sponsor do anything bout this? Of course not…

    And if that is still not bad enough, these ppl get pregnant and start families. While STILL on UNDERGRADUATE scholarships in the MIDDLE of their studies. I personally know a few of those who did this, which drives me mad. The taxpayers pay good money to send them overseas to study medicine etc. All they do is do the hanky panky, get laid and use the allowance to pay for diapers and formula milk. and these are the very peopl who’ll flunk out of uni after wasting hundreds of thousands of RMs.

    Now, talk about being short-sighted and being too comfortable. Cos they know, if they flunk, the gov will get them into other unis and employ them anyway.

  99. Justification July 1, 2008 at 5:03 pm #

    It seems that this “great blog” is actually a place for all the ranting and slamming to the Malays.Not much of solutions and ideas for the benefit of racial unity after all.

    The Malays..yes,they are the majority in Malaysia.

    They are the majority of the protesters on the street who dare enough to face the Riot police.(where are the chinese,anyway?)

    They are the majority in the ISA camp.

    They are the majority in the Kelantan state who dare enough to change.

    Ironically, their opponent is actually their own kind. Their own people who you claimed to feed them for 50 years.

    So, instead of generalizing, can u please start aiming and shooting at the real enemy?

    or perhaps, u just like to do what u do best: barking and ranting at the back..

    And btw, dont forget ,the chinese also have this culture which believe “Fair skin is supreme over darker skin”. You’ll do the same to other races if you are the majority of this country..of perhaps..the worst.

  100. Diamond August 15, 2008 at 3:59 pm #

    dis kind of talk will create & start the racism. Peace is how u think and how u act …

    Dont let anyone establish a colony in ur mind..

    ~Peace~

  101. colormeband October 4, 2008 at 4:38 pm #

    Racism take over everything of our life, because RACISM, making livibng in Mlaysia is tough if you are not Malays.
    when is this so called “POSITIVE DESRIMINATION” going to be over?

    I think I had enough, the Malaysian had enough. Changes is inevitable In Malysia Politic. Overthrow The BN Government!

  102. Justification November 17, 2008 at 4:39 pm #

    So,anymore ranting, slamming, ‘critism’, protest to the Malay from u guys?anymore comments on how you suffer and living in hardship to live and eat in a ‘Malay Infested Country?’

    Or maybe u guys are now bz counting your money to be the next tycoons of Malaysia ,(which i doubt there is a Malay in the list…)

    So, the bottom line is,..doesnt matter how ‘racist’ the Malay u labelled..you guys can still makes a tonnes of Money,watch your own TV shows,read your own Newpapers,send your kids to SRJK ,talk in your own mother-tounge,keep your own faith and religion, celebrate your festivals in a massive event, or even keep your own name..(because the Malaysian Malay never asked u to change ur name from Chow Sing Chee to Budi Kesuma Jiwa or sumthing..)

    So, the Malays are ‘racist Bastard’,u say?..go figure..

  103. asterixk March 12, 2009 at 2:17 pm #

    In response to Sinner’s ark’s comment above(2nd from top).

    Malays are not dim witted and of course it’s not right to judge all of them based on a single bad experience or something, but the problem is wherever i go i cant help but feel as if, if some malays arent so lazy(not that chinese and indians arent) and are more hardworking and not so protective about their “rights”, we’ll have less troubles in the country.

    Ive experienced enough unfairness to feel more than a little animosity to the malays in the country. And i dont have to get started on what i have seen happened. Especially in work places. I feel so angry that sometimes i think “fuck malaysia!” seriously if these bullshit continues, this country is so going down.

    So there. There’s nothing wrong with the malays and their practises and whatnots, just their mindset. Well heck, i have a best friend who’s a malay and she’s the best. And she doesnt think about all these bullshit the others do, she’s open minded and matured and hardworking damnit. Why cant everyone be like her.

    Just change ur mindset la people, more of these racism bullshit and we’ll forever be the laughing stock of the other countries la.

  104. asterixk March 12, 2009 at 2:27 pm #

    In response to justification’s comment.

    You said that we are never asked to change our names, true but how long will this last? Have you ever tried being in our position? doubt so, so u have no right to say that we shouldnt rant because of the unfairness in the country, or havent u noticed that?

    See this is why people send their children overseas and ask them not to come back.

    You guys have everything going for you, where as the others have to slog their asses off to reach higher rank in their work..so instead of asking us to “go figure”, why dont YOU go figure out for yourself..

    And whats wrong with making money? so that we dont have to stay in this place? In case u dont know about the corruption among politicians, you guys are much cleaner than us..

    so back at you..
    go figure..

  105. Justification March 13, 2009 at 7:12 pm #

    In response to asterixk’s comment

    Dude,..where the hell you get that idea? Seriously that changing names wont happened in Malaysia.Those process only happening in Indonesia where the ruler that time, The Late Sukarno emphasize the ‘One Indonesia’ Concept where the people must have same characteristic ,such as ‘Name’ to show unity .In fact,i believed that Malaysian government will stick to your name.There are negative and positive about this.

    (-) As you claimed, this racist government will easily identify who is chinese or malay in their application i.e an application for Civil Service.So,those ‘Bloody-Malay-pigs’ in those Ministry will easily choose only Malay names and not Chinese for the job.

    (+) The government will ensure you to stick to your Chinese names so they could promote Malaysia-Truly Asia and those Muhibbah thingy to the world.

    Actually,The average Malays face much more diffculties than you really think. “Before you hate someone, you should know about them”..so The Malays are divided into 2 classes. The higher class are those UMNO elits and the lower class are those average Malays. I cut the story into a statement: If a Malay is not an UMNOputra, he or she should forget those PRODUCTIVE ‘priviledges’ or ‘Specialties’.Those tiny-little ‘Malay Privilegdes’ that you claimed as our ‘benefits’ is actually just a ‘warranty’and ‘debts’ for the Average Malays.

    If i am in your position,i will glad that i am not a Malay,in this UMNO administration.

    asterixk said;
    “..So u have no right to say that we shouldnt rant because of the unfairness in the country, or havent u noticed that?..”

    Off course i dont have the right to stop you to whine or rant about anything.Your word is your freedom.

    ” I maybe not agree for what you said,But i will fight to death for your rights to say it..”
    -Voltaire-(French Poet and Author)

    The only thing that i concerned is, most of them time, Malaysian Chinese like to whine and whine and whine about the Malays and about this ‘Apartheid Country’.Off course, since you post it on the NET,the world will read it and the gwai-lo or the caucasians will always love to support and feel sympathy ‘The Oppresed’ Malaysian Chinese. You love to put ‘smiley face’ in-front of us and at the same time ,spit on our back.Eventhough some of you didnt really understand what’s going on and what is the cause of the problem, you always love to put the blame on The Malays.You even blame our roots ,our culture and then BLAME OUR RELIGION FOR THE PROBLEM!! AND THAT IS THE ISSUE!!

    asterixk Said;
    “..You guys have everything going for you..”

    R U sure?Personally, i think The Chinese got everything in this country.I shall let you do the comparison yourself.take a walk in KL,Ipoh,Penang and tell me what you see. Sometime i feel that i am the 2nd class citizen when walking in those streets.
    Maybe you should go out from your ‘hatred zone’ and try to befriend with some Malays and try to visit their house or even talk to them.I think you watched and listened too much of Malaysian Mainstream News that took everything from UMNO’s mouth.It seems that, racial statement are the easiest way to sell the news.So, Local news…is not a ‘good friend’.

    asterixk Asked:
    “..And whats wrong with making money?..”

    Nothing wrong with making money.Even as a Moslem,i was told to get more money.
    “..Work Hard and get rich ,like you will live for thousand years,but Pray hard ,like you will die tommorow..”
    -Prophet Muhammad-(pbuh)

    but the ironic part was, ‘some people’ makes alot of money in this “stupid-shamefull-Islamic backward-malay pig infested” country but at the same time, they whined and ranting how suffering they are.How they are being discriminated by those ‘Moslem-Malay bastards’. I wonder what those 5 top Malaysian tycoons(all chinese) whined bout Malaysia? I think the only thing they hated is they have to give ‘monthly allowance’ to UMNO,so they could stay in business and monopolize the Industry.and for UMNO,with those money, they can be in power for years.So thanks to those Chinese Tycoons.

    “so, that we dont have to stay in this place?..”
    I dun understand why The Chinese are making really big fuss about leaving Malaysia? For the Malays, If a child can immigrate to other country,it is actually A PRIDE to the family.We called that as ‘ Kembara’.I got some relatives and Malays frens who migrated ,and we support them to stay there so we could expand our network there or what we called as ‘Kembang Zuriat'(Expanding the family elsewhere)

    Or perhaps,you want the Malays to kneel down and beg you not to go,izzit?

    asterixk said;
    “..See this is why people send their children overseas and ask them not to come back..”

    Those people are the same people who voted for MCA before ,which automatically voted for BN and automatically voted UMNO ,who can keep their ‘special priviledges’ in NEP. And then, they told their children that ‘Malays’ are very-very racist and like discriminate the Chinese.So better look for other non-malays countries.

    asterixk said;
    “..In case u dont know about the corruption among politicians, you guys are much cleaner than us..”

    Dude, who give a f*ck about some clean or corrupted politician?they can kill among themselves in parliament.Why soo worry bout that?
    ” ..Leaders come and go, A party win and loose.But the people will stay.The people are the real ruler..”
    -Tuan Guru Ustaz Nik Aziz (Kelantan CM)

    Those politician will keep throwing racial statement to show how heroic they are for their race.It might hurt our ears and hearts,but the most important thing, we shouldnt allowed that to hurt our mind. It is for the Malaysian people to Unite against this racial thing.Not just whining about something you not really sure.

    Understand,Evaluate and Response.

    God Bless Malaysian-Wherever and whatever you are.

    * It is just my 2 cents.Anyway, im just a stupid-bloody Malay pig, what do i know about everything.I am not that smart,valuable,intelligent like the chinese.

  106. RACIST April 20, 2009 at 5:13 pm #

    Proper good job mate. I support you 100% because what is written in the article is very true. But if they are not given the advantages which u mentioned, i doubt that they will survive. If they are denied of these advantages, i think most of them will end up in kampung selling ketupat? Its just my opinion.. No offences meant.

  107. Justification April 20, 2009 at 6:23 pm #

    To Racist:

    Dude, if we (The Malay) knew the chinese will never stop whinning and barking behind our back just becoz of that F*cking NEP ,we rather go back to kampung and become petty traders and sell ketupat.We will do anything and give anything just to shut your loud mouth. It seems more peaceful by doing that.It is the best for both of us.At least, one of us must be ‘mengalah’.And like always, The Malays must give out everything (little thing) that we have. The Chinese can have the cities and the ‘big business’.You already succesfully took away our ‘Temasik’ anyway..and ‘Pulau Mutiara’ is already yours..but u still not satisfied rite?..tell me what else that The Malays must give out to help to fullfill your lust.

    Well, what can i say?…This blog proved that The Malay and the Chinese are like ‘Water and oil’..both are totally different from each other.Cannot mix at all.The Malay are Kiasi and The Chinese are Kiasu.The Malay Support Palestine and The Chinese support The Zionist.The racial Intergration of this Federation is a failure.We shouldnt get along each other at 1st place……

    So, is that what u really want to hear ,Racist?..no offence but i think u r waiting for a racial war or a bloodbath,rite?and r u the one who going to lead the Chinese’s Sacred War against The Malays?..i think u r ..no offence ..but ur name is RACIST anyway.

    I wonder if any chinese out there realized that what we have now( The NEP,the racial segregation and even Muhibah Concept)…is just a big ‘political conspiracy’ since day one of Malaysian Independence?..so i think u guys r barking at the wrong group of people..So,be a good dog and bark at your own master,The MCA.

    just my 2 cents..im just a stupid-bloody Malay pig, what do i know about everything.I am not that smart,valuable,intelligent like the chinese.

  108. peace April 21, 2009 at 7:14 am #

    let us just make peace and live together in harmony. i am a chinese with many malay friends. and even in uni (moscow), we are facing racism all over again. mind you, we are all medical students. i have no idea what started this but i love my malay friends and i am actually closer to them than some of my chinese friends. truth be told, i am as close to my malay friends as i am to my indian and chinese friends. i have only walked this earth for 21 years. i do not have much experience but let it be that we remain childish in the way we perceive people and mature in our thinking. malaysia is still our home at the end of the day.

  109. anon April 27, 2009 at 6:58 pm #

    Dear Justification,

    the problem with some chinamen is they can’t see the difference between umno n malays..well, u can’t blame them entirely coz thats exactly what umno wants anyway

    nobody has to go back to kampung to sell ketupats..everybody just need to work together to forge a better nation..we can start by exercising our votes mindfully..think about those walking the corridors of power and basking in their millions..we need to get rid of them..

    and looking at the results of GE12, its quite obvious the chinamen has gotten rid of MCA..

    at the end of the day everyone has their grievances and complaints..it all boils down to who has been calling the shots in our country for the past 50 over years..in short racial politics and biased policies has made racist out of us.
    however i feel it is the malays whos actually suffering most..they were shortchanged in the NEP while those who can make use of it made tonnes of money, including the chinamen/indian cronies..

    peace

  110. G.A.P.A Di Malaysia request all Malaysian,regardless your race or religions to unite and eliminate all hatred and prejudice among ourselves.

    We’re facing more serious problem in our country: The Infestation of illegal immigrants.

    We need to come together to overcome this situation.

    “Patience No More”

  111. Gerakan Anti Pendatang Asing (G.A.P.A) Di Malaysia April 29, 2009 at 10:26 am #

    For your information, currently ,GAPA di Malaysia’s blog is being “disturbed” ..
    This is their 1st attack on us before they really attack our society.

    We got nothing to do with that bible site.

    stay tune..we will back..with more shields and muscles.

    for enquiries please email to gapadimalaysia@gmail.com

    “Patience No More”

  112. wwiras June 15, 2009 at 4:26 am #

    I am Malay and I am totally agree with you. As a Malay, I think Malay people needs to change. Thanks for your comment and opinion regarding Malay people.

  113. Chris July 7, 2009 at 8:49 pm #

    Why is racism getting stretched so far, at the top of the page shoalin states his belief that everyone is racist to some degree, I agree, but its intent, if the only way to simply describe a problem is through race, so what. People get called stupid, geeks, fat, skinny every day, its direct and its cruel, generalizing to make a point is just easy, if we wanted to talk about these problems without being “racist” well, I dont believe we could, without confusing ourselves and our readers, it would go too deep. This racism thing is going to turn the world upside down.

    I’m from UK and the government is so PC it a complete 360* spin on malaysia, to the point it favours so called immigrants over its own, so called native, I tried, but when it got to far I left, I dont like my country.

    Stop taking every little thing as racism, people need freedom of speech, how else can problems get solved. Unless its obvious, direct and cruel, dont be so weak as to call out racism.
    I have faced direct, cruel racism in my so called native country, and received nothing but a blind eye, yet the smallest, unintentional remark has seen people been beaten to an inch of their life, and at the end of the day, charged for racism.

    People die all over the world, get locked up, look at UMNO for e.g, I wont say anything, it speaks for itself, and I dont fancy a prison sentence right about now.

    Im lazy to type anymore, or read all the comments, but I do wonder how any of the posts above me have no so called racist comments in them, maybe you want to look and see for yourself?

  114. InSt August 8, 2010 at 4:22 pm #

    hi…
    you have a good article here, and it seems that you worked very long time with malay race. I agree with you and what you mention, lets say 99% what you said is true. I’m also working in Malaysia, KL, in a laboratory. Let me tell you something my friend, if you were talking about the racism, my lab has 99% Chinese, the manager is chinese and she never and ever accept any malay or indian people coz as she said directly to me that she HATES those people and also I heard that the same from the labmates. So, I can’t put a very long article here, but as long as your article is very good, then in my case just swap the “malay” word with “chinese” word and vice versa. Ofcourse except for indians people they are helpful and very polite more than malay and chinese.

  115. about to migrate August 31, 2010 at 10:30 pm #

    Its all very very true. Skin colour is very important. All my friends and relatives left to Australia, UK, US, Canada and NZ. They all say better be 2nd class citizen in new land rather than 2nd class citizen in place of birth. now its my turn. Goodbye all.

  116. arnold December 15, 2010 at 2:07 am #

    now wat about making history compalsory? is it really history or fi….. 2 brainwash the future generation

  117. Mei December 25, 2010 at 9:18 pm #

    Although your article is cleverly written, I can’t help but notice a tiny pinch of bitterness in your article. I sure hope you did not experience any racial issues during your stay in Malaysia. I can see that you are overly critical on the Malays and seem to be concerned about racism issues in Malaysia. As a Malaysian who grew up in Malaysia, raised in the Malaysian culture, I am fully aware and well versed on our racial issues. Basically, I am an observer just like you, but with more experience and knowledge on the matter. I used to be a racist, much like my family members, but I have to tell you no matter how racist a person can be, humanity is the basic of a person. Having good hearts, I do believe Malaysians are on their way to dissolve racism issues. I am not saying we will be racist-free in the near future, but just a better community. I want to say this rather diplomatically but I somehow can’t afford you to misinterpret what I’m trying to say to you. Your blatant accusations and judgments are not helping at all. So as a person who encourages racism do you think you have the right to have a say on our racial issue? I wanted to say sod off, but I think saying it this way will make you understand our matter although I am fully aware that the chances you would are pretty low. By all means, this comment is not “i’m holier than thou” type, but really just an emotional outburst at seeing a person who are about to vanquish some Malaysians’ effort on resolving racism. Thank you for reading, really.

  118. leaving March 4, 2011 at 8:13 pm #

    Woohoo! it doesn’t matter! I am now married to a US citizen and am advancing in biomedical science 😀
    Sorry I can’t contribute this to Malaysia, b/c what have they done for me? I am a Malaysian Chinese and I know how unfairness for us is like. Benefits depend on race, not talent or skill.. it’s sad.
    Bye Malaysia!

  119. stephenwang May 23, 2011 at 9:10 pm #

    BEFORE THE FORMATION OF MALAYSIA, THE MALAYS ARE MOSTLY COMMON PEOPLE DOING FARMING AND FISHING. THEY ARE GOOD PEOPLE WHO MAKE HONEST LIVINGS.THEY MIX WELL WITH CHINESE , INDIANS AND OTHER RACES.WHEN THE COUNTRY MALAYSIA CAME INTO EXISTENCE, THE POLITICAL LEADERS DIVIDED THE PEOPLE AND RULE THEM SEPARATELY.THEY FEED THE MALAYS WITH DANGEROUS IDEAS THAT CAUSE CONFLICTS IN THE ONCE PEACEFUL COUNTRY.THE PEOPEL ARE SEPARATED INTO BUMIS AND NON BUMIS, ACCUSING THE NON BUMIS OF FEEDING ON THE BUMIS.THIS CAUSED MUCH HATRED AND DISTRUST UNTILL NOW.NON BUMIS ARE DENIED THE RIGHTS TO GO INTO LOCAL UNIVERSITIES EVEN WITH STRIAGHTS A ,S . NOW WE SEE BUMIS WHO CALL THESELVES PATRIOTIC STEALING MONEY FROM THE COUNTRY AND SETTLE OVERSEAS. THEY ARE SUPERRICH OVERSEAS AND STILL CLAIM TO BE POOR WHEN THEY COME BACK TO MALAYSIA. THOSE LEADERS DO HAVE STONE HEARTS THAT CANNOT HOLD ANY CONSCIENCE.MAY GOD BLESS THEM AND THEIR FAMILIES.

  120. bavani September 23, 2011 at 12:07 am #

    I have screenshots of massive racist conversation over fb wall posting in my neighbourhood community fb site. If you can help me make it go viral as an effort to combat racism, I will pass you the screenshots. With due I respect I have censored their pictures because I’m not here to expose any individual but I want to expose many of our people’s mentality that is definately not doing any good for this country. Let me know..