Published In The Malay Mail (Without Permisson)

Well today David Lian and I were published in the Malay Mail (without permission).

Malay Mail Article

Battling for the Internet mind

The article is about PR and bloggers of course and they published both of our articles side-by-side (and made David look like a Simpsons character).

They did infringe our copyright by taking these articles (and even editing them) without our permission, I wouldn’t have actually minded if they asked as the final piece looks pretty good. And for once I wrote the article fairly well (and seriously) so it doesn’t look out of place in a newspaper. It’s ironic though what they did considering the subject matter of the articles.

I’ve had this problem with picture credits in Malaysian publications many times before, and even once with an article.

Of course David’s counter piece is also very well written so they sit well on a page together. And at least the picture of me is decent and I learnt of a new site –

Plus it demonstrates the power of blogs, two articles are worthy to take up a whole page in their publication (that tells me something about the general quality of their output).

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35 Responses to Published In The Malay Mail (Without Permisson)

  1. Nick Chhan April 2, 2009 at 2:49 pm #

    That is seriously pathetic from a professional agency with long history.

  2. Nigel April 2, 2009 at 2:49 pm #

    Hahaha..look at David!

    They should have asked permission though.

  3. David April 2, 2009 at 2:58 pm #

    Are you gonna do anything about it since they didn’t ask neither yours nor david’s permission? It is very unethical though

  4. Bernard April 2, 2009 at 3:00 pm #

    This is seriously taking the whole chunk without permission.
    Seriously they didn’t ask you prior?

    Good job. MALAYSIA BOLEH

  5. andrew April 2, 2009 at 3:20 pm #

    walao… where can??? Sue them!! LOL =D

  6. chyu April 2, 2009 at 3:26 pm #

    can properly sue them dy ~
    how can like that ~

  7. Myhorng April 2, 2009 at 3:33 pm #

    is that picture taken by me me me? with your camera of course. LOL

  8. davidlian April 2, 2009 at 3:57 pm #

    Let me see if I can talk to a contact over at the Malay Mail 🙂

  9. ahmike April 2, 2009 at 4:16 pm #

    Sue them Shaolin! Never take bloggers for granted 😀

  10. clarisseteagen April 2, 2009 at 4:17 pm #

    That’s way lame of Malay Mail.
    I do hope they’re paying you.

  11. Mellissa April 2, 2009 at 4:49 pm #

    Jeez, who in the right mind would’ve thought that would be a smart thing to do – copying and pasting without even prior informing?! Not even an analysis at that, just straight chunk by chunk.

    BTW, that’s a Cameron’s pic!! 😀 😀

  12. philters April 2, 2009 at 4:54 pm #

    it does not matter how good the final output looks, taking articles without permission is wrong.

  13. sydney_sider April 2, 2009 at 5:03 pm #

    Legally this is breach of copy right law.

    If I were you I would take them to court.

    If Malaysia is to become a first world nation, it should learn that cavalear acts such as this is a complete and utter breach of intellectual property… but then again.. this is Malaysia that we are talking about where Piracy and copy right law.. and law in general is non-existent.. easily bought over by “under the counter” pay offs.

    The Malay mail.. being obviously a high calibre publishing authority is a great reflection of Malay values and Malay culture….not

    what a disgrace…. the problem with Malaysia is, no one gives a damn…

  14. moons April 2, 2009 at 5:57 pm #

    Sheesh…. thats just so unprofessional.

    It boggles the mind really. Where do these people graduated from? Were they sleeping during their class of Legal Issues?

    Amazing really for such a company to perform such an act of self disgrace.

  15. Friedbeef April 2, 2009 at 6:24 pm #

    …and they should at least pay you for this, now that they’ve used you without permission!

  16. Marvin Lee April 2, 2009 at 7:08 pm #

    Am I the only one seeing more and more blog contents going into prints?
    Be it food blogs, tech blogs or of special interest, they are definitely making ways to newspapers nowadays.
    Bloggers can even be columnist!

    Get them to pay you or an apology notice on the next day print. 🙂

  17. eyeris April 2, 2009 at 9:38 pm #

    Oh yeah, bloggers CAN be columnists. Whether they are GOOD ONES remains to be seen though. LOL

  18. Adi Wong April 2, 2009 at 9:49 pm #


    hmm…copyright issue….

    i thought newspaper people shoud know better than that….don’t they learn that from school?

  19. vincent April 2, 2009 at 10:20 pm #

    Your readers are seriously confused.

    Plagiarism is when someone rips off your work and claims it as their own. Which they didn’t do.

  20. raymond April 3, 2009 at 12:31 am #

    Hmm.. I understand the copyright issues with printing without permission (u shud enquire about compensation or at least an apology) but I can see one good thing that has come out of it. ST is getting more and more media coverage.. Soon he will be a celebrity ;p

  21. ikanbilis April 3, 2009 at 12:35 am #

    I used to work for a newspaper which paid peanuts for articles and darn stingy with basic work facilities even though they are making good money. These days, they steal! Tsk tsk…

  22. Jason April 3, 2009 at 1:44 am #

    I was reading it (again) in the office when I saw it in the papers earlier this morning; and I was thinking whether they have requested permission from you and David to republish both articles.

    And they didn’t, just as I thought.

    Oh, and the blogger cum columnist, is it a she? Just want to reaffirm myself.

  23. KY April 3, 2009 at 9:53 am #

    This is all just very ironic. lol

  24. Digh April 3, 2009 at 11:27 am #

    Melissa: this is not even just copying and pasting. It’s copying, pasting, then EDITING without permission or notification.


    The editor saved a few hundred (thousands) bucks on paying someone to write that.

    HOW ABOUT A COUNTER CAMPAIGN? > All bloggers just paste edited versions of the Malay Mail (with lots of “fuck”, “basted bollocks” and “goat balls”) on their blogs.

  25. feizal April 3, 2009 at 12:43 pm #

    ahaha..this is how i see it

    1) The should have asked for permission for
    i) Editing
    ii) Posting up your pic

    i) Better awareness of
    ii) You can get money from them…be creative & threatening
    iii) Bigger awareness of how PR companies operate these days.
    iv) You can get your own Malay mail column..

    opportunities man…

  26. mahagurusia April 3, 2009 at 3:39 pm #

    Wat da …?
    I am just speechless, and I know how you feel ST.
    There is no such thing as copyright in this country and what to say respect for other people property.

    I have my fair share of plagiarism from my site 🙁

  27. ShaolinTiger April 4, 2009 at 1:24 pm #

    Nick Chhan: Yah the Star does it too, all the same la.

    Nigel: Yah Simponized! They should indeed.

    David: Gonna try, from past experience not much will happen though.

    Bernard: Yes it is, and no they didn’t ask. They didn’t even have the courtesy to inform us after.

    andrew: Not worth it loh.

    chyu: Legal system in Malaysia isn’t built to protect the rights of individuals.

    Myhorng: Yah loh think so, you famous now too 😛

    davidlian: Yah will write to the editor too.

    ahmike: Will see what I can do.

    clarisseteagen: I won’t hold my breath.

    Mellissa: Who said any of the Malaysian papers were smart? LOL. Yeh at the tea shop.

    philters: No shit sherlock.

    sydney_sider: I know what it is, Malaysia really has no concept of intellectual property though – you can see that from the rampant piracy without enforcement of the relevant laws.

    moons: Indeed it is, I don’t think it’s a problem of people not knowing the law – the fact is they just don’t care.

    Friedbeef: Yah hope so, might just invoice them 😀

    Marvin Lee: Yah it’s happening a lot, it’s happened before with The Star too. They take food blogs (including pics) and publish in Sunday Metro without permission. They do inform you though.

    eyeris: HAHAHA – Yes!

    Adi Wong: Yes it’s copyright infringement but it’s not plagiarism.

    vincent: I don’t see how they are ‘seriously confused’ as only 1 person has mentioned plagiarism and well you can’t blame me for that – blame your education system 🙂

    raymond: I got zero hits from it, so no – no extra coverage.

    ikanbilis: Yup getting worse and worse.

    Jason: Sad eh?

    KY: Incredibly so.

    Digh: Sounds like a plan 😀

    feizal: Yah there’s good sides and bad sides.

    mahagurusia: Yup, no respect at all for intellectual property.

  28. Jeff April 4, 2009 at 9:59 pm #

    Gee, can’t these “journalist’s” write a story on their own, and just do their research accordingly. Surely, they can reference parts of your blog post and give proper credit, it aint that hard. And what happens in the future if they copy a blog post which has all the facts wrong? (a good journalist always checks facts)The newspaper ends up in sorts of trouble for this shoddy type of journalism.

  29. goldfries April 4, 2009 at 11:28 pm #

    It’s the “ABRIDGED and EDITED” part that irks me, knowing that they actually even EDITED the content.

    If they had quoted it VERBATIM and state the source clearly as being un-edited, I still think it’s within acceptable boundaries.

  30. julian April 5, 2009 at 1:16 am #

    Foong Cheng Leong at would be a good lawyer to contact if you want to send them a stiff legal letter reminding them of their responsibilities.

  31. eksk April 7, 2009 at 10:54 am #

    the newspapers is going down the drain.. despite printing all the accusation from the govenment about bloggers… they still lift articles without shame…. whores!

  32. ShaolinTiger April 7, 2009 at 11:58 am #

    Jeff: It seems like the answer is no, thankfully there’s no fact checking to do though as it’s an opinion piece.

    goldfries: Well to be fair, it’s not really abridged – they just edited the swear-words out. It’s still copyright infringement if they took the whole thing without editing as it’s far beyond what fair use allows.

    julian: Yah, I know Cheng Leong 🙂

    eksk: Going down the drain? I thought they’d been in the drain for a long time 😀

  33. leonardo leong April 13, 2009 at 9:39 am #

    this is the new breed of reporters who only sit in the office and expect to get stories from blogs or facebook.

    they are a disgrace to the true breed journalists.

  34. ShaolinTiger April 13, 2009 at 2:31 pm #

    leonardo leong: Yup compounded with the general lack of respect for intellectual property in this country.