Comments on: The Problem With PR (Public Relations) Companies in Malaysia Engaging Bloggers http://www.shaolintiger.com/2009/03/27/the-problem-with-pr-public-relations-companies-in-malaysia-engaging-bloggers/ Inane Ramblings of a Photographer/Hacker/Brit in Malaysia Eating, Drinking and Partying! Fri, 10 Feb 2012 00:35:15 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: David http://www.shaolintiger.com/2009/03/27/the-problem-with-pr-public-relations-companies-in-malaysia-engaging-bloggers/#comment-182319 David Mon, 21 Feb 2011 02:29:13 +0000 http://www.shaolintiger.com/?p=1739#comment-182319 Very good article. But i feel that your complaints can be related to most creative based industries out there. Take the music industry. Event companies try to get the cheapest acts stating "we will give you exposure". As much exposure as you can give, musicians still need to get paid. Think about the gas we spend going to not only the event, but practice, the money for practice rooms, equipment maintenance etc. Exposure is great but seriously, money is better. And it really sucks cause new bands are really spoiling the market. Hungry for the first shows they can get, the offer their services for minimal prices, giving the upper hand and leverage. It truly is time to take control of this situation. However, i don't think this starts from the PR companies or event organizers or clients. In a business aspect, it is always better to get the cheaper price. Saves money. I think the way to handle this is actually eliminating the free/cheap services. There should be a standard which everyone uses. You must educated those new to the industry and those hungry for stories to STOP offering their services for free/cheap. With this, corporate companies will have no options but to actually pay! Union anyone? Very good article. But i feel that your complaints can be related to most creative based industries out there.

Take the music industry. Event companies try to get the cheapest acts stating “we will give you exposure”. As much exposure as you can give, musicians still need to get paid. Think about the gas we spend going to not only the event, but practice, the money for practice rooms, equipment maintenance etc. Exposure is great but seriously, money is better.

And it really sucks cause new bands are really spoiling the market. Hungry for the first shows they can get, the offer their services for minimal prices, giving the upper hand and leverage.

It truly is time to take control of this situation. However, i don’t think this starts from the PR companies or event organizers or clients. In a business aspect, it is always better to get the cheaper price. Saves money.

I think the way to handle this is actually eliminating the free/cheap services. There should be a standard which everyone uses. You must educated those new to the industry and those hungry for stories to STOP offering their services for free/cheap.

With this, corporate companies will have no options but to actually pay! Union anyone?

]]> By: ShaolinTiger http://www.shaolintiger.com/2009/03/27/the-problem-with-pr-public-relations-companies-in-malaysia-engaging-bloggers/#comment-177066 ShaolinTiger Wed, 12 Aug 2009 09:06:25 +0000 http://www.shaolintiger.com/?p=1739#comment-177066 <strong>venus:</strong> I engage with clients that allow criticism, it's a mature approach. The rest of what you say makes no sense, you need to learn how to write boy. venus: I engage with clients that allow criticism, it’s a mature approach. The rest of what you say makes no sense, you need to learn how to write boy.

]]> By: venus http://www.shaolintiger.com/2009/03/27/the-problem-with-pr-public-relations-companies-in-malaysia-engaging-bloggers/#comment-177055 venus Wed, 12 Aug 2009 05:30:02 +0000 http://www.shaolintiger.com/?p=1739#comment-177055 "If you want them to review your product then let them criticise it (even if you paid them to write)" That phrase is not fair to the corporation. People likes you, thats why they invite you for the event and hope you could help them in some way, you take people money and not helping them. Thats not fair and way totally earn even worse respect from them. You could communicate clearly thats all. All the complains above is not valid if you know how to negotiate and speak up..not write up, i did not see other famous blogger complain anything. And your attitude so familiar, did you need to complain out and not resolve your 2 yrs problem with those not-related? FYI, i am not related to blog or any PR work, i am a reader and could see thru your writing of what type of people you are. Learn boy. “If you want them to review your product then let them criticise it (even if you paid them to write)”

That phrase is not fair to the corporation. People likes you, thats why they invite you for the event and hope you could help them in some way, you take people money and not helping them. Thats not fair and way totally earn even worse respect from them. You could communicate clearly thats all. All the complains above is not valid if you know how to negotiate and speak up..not write up, i did not see other famous blogger complain anything.

And your attitude so familiar, did you need to complain out and not resolve your 2 yrs problem with those not-related? FYI, i am not related to blog or any PR work, i am a reader and could see thru your writing of what type of people you are. Learn boy.

]]> By: ShaolinTiger http://www.shaolintiger.com/2009/03/27/the-problem-with-pr-public-relations-companies-in-malaysia-engaging-bloggers/#comment-158806 ShaolinTiger Sat, 09 May 2009 05:15:54 +0000 http://www.shaolintiger.com/?p=1739#comment-158806 <strong>Sharizal:</strong> Not bad not bad, been a long time :D Sharizal: Not bad not bad, been a long time :D

]]> By: Sharizal Shaarani http://www.shaolintiger.com/2009/03/27/the-problem-with-pr-public-relations-companies-in-malaysia-engaging-bloggers/#comment-158112 Sharizal Shaarani Wed, 06 May 2009 10:38:48 +0000 http://www.shaolintiger.com/?p=1739#comment-158112 sweeettt... btw how u been dude? sweeettt…

btw how u been dude?

]]> By: ShaolinTiger http://www.shaolintiger.com/2009/03/27/the-problem-with-pr-public-relations-companies-in-malaysia-engaging-bloggers/#comment-153633 ShaolinTiger Sun, 19 Apr 2009 09:36:28 +0000 http://www.shaolintiger.com/?p=1739#comment-153633 <strong>Hemanth:</strong> Indeed, liasing with bloggers takes a different approach from traditional PR. It also takes a certain understanding of bloggers and the dynamics involved. I respect companies that can appreciate genuine constructive criticism in a mature manner. Hemanth: Indeed, liasing with bloggers takes a different approach from traditional PR. It also takes a certain understanding of bloggers and the dynamics involved. I respect companies that can appreciate genuine constructive criticism in a mature manner.

]]> By: Hemanth http://www.shaolintiger.com/2009/03/27/the-problem-with-pr-public-relations-companies-in-malaysia-engaging-bloggers/#comment-151781 Hemanth Mon, 13 Apr 2009 09:28:10 +0000 http://www.shaolintiger.com/?p=1739#comment-151781 Bro, completely agree. I am a strong believer in credibility and freedom of speech. In my view, blogs are suppose to be the thoughts and feelings of the blogger. I encourage bloggers to write on their train of thoughts about a product, brand or even lifestyle. I sometimes like dealing directly with bloggers like yourself because genuine thoughts have no price to it. Well done. Bro, completely agree. I am a strong believer in credibility and freedom of speech. In my view, blogs are suppose to be the thoughts and feelings of the blogger. I encourage bloggers to write on their train of thoughts about a product, brand or even lifestyle.
I sometimes like dealing directly with bloggers like yourself because genuine thoughts have no price to it.
Well done.

]]> By: ShaolinTiger http://www.shaolintiger.com/2009/03/27/the-problem-with-pr-public-relations-companies-in-malaysia-engaging-bloggers/#comment-149372 ShaolinTiger Tue, 07 Apr 2009 03:55:08 +0000 http://www.shaolintiger.com/?p=1739#comment-149372 <strong>goldfries:</strong> You have the advantage of being in a niche, and tech at that. PR people in tech tend to be better versed with online stuff, blogs and social/peer media. The most clueless of the bunch are lifestyle PR companies which are the ones I tend to deal with. I do buy stuff and review myself still, what to do :) goldfries: You have the advantage of being in a niche, and tech at that. PR people in tech tend to be better versed with online stuff, blogs and social/peer media. The most clueless of the bunch are lifestyle PR companies which are the ones I tend to deal with. I do buy stuff and review myself still, what to do :)

]]> By: goldfries http://www.shaolintiger.com/2009/03/27/the-problem-with-pr-public-relations-companies-in-malaysia-engaging-bloggers/#comment-148402 goldfries Sat, 04 Apr 2009 15:17:00 +0000 http://www.shaolintiger.com/?p=1739#comment-148402 Fortunately for me, the PR / agencies that I come by have NEVER once placed such nonsense requirements. As for my product reviews, I usually get my review samples directly or if not - I'll buy them! And thankfully the people I work with so far have no objections of me giving NEGATIVE feedback as long as it's justified. On a side note - I like what ST mentioned about the TIME. :D 7pm in KL is crazy! Then again if it's an event is scheduled to take up 3 hours then starting at 9pm would mean it'll end really late. Oh and let's not forget, those events usually start late. If ever they state 7pm - you can bet on it (and win almost all the time) that it will not be starting at 7 sharp. Why? Even with the best traffic and weather conditions (eg, empty streets, no rain) the general Malaysian is based on Thai-side Time. :P Fortunately for me, the PR / agencies that I come by have NEVER once placed such nonsense requirements.

As for my product reviews, I usually get my review samples directly or if not – I’ll buy them! And thankfully the people I work with so far have no objections of me giving NEGATIVE feedback as long as it’s justified.

On a side note – I like what ST mentioned about the TIME. :D 7pm in KL is crazy! Then again if it’s an event is scheduled to take up 3 hours then starting at 9pm would mean it’ll end really late.

Oh and let’s not forget, those events usually start late. If ever they state 7pm – you can bet on it (and win almost all the time) that it will not be starting at 7 sharp.

Why? Even with the best traffic and weather conditions (eg, empty streets, no rain) the general Malaysian is based on Thai-side Time. :P

]]> By: ShaolinTiger http://www.shaolintiger.com/2009/03/27/the-problem-with-pr-public-relations-companies-in-malaysia-engaging-bloggers/#comment-148232 ShaolinTiger Sat, 04 Apr 2009 04:50:59 +0000 http://www.shaolintiger.com/?p=1739#comment-148232 <strong>Precious Pea:</strong> Hahah that's funny. Precious Pea: Hahah that’s funny.

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