The issues of corruption in Malaysia.

Where are the good police people ask?

There is a big ‘thing’ going on at the moment about the Tudung wearing police officer making the chinese female inmate do ear squats.

It IS pretty disturbing and some people do NEED to provide some answers.

You can clearly see it is a Malaysian police officer in the background by the blue uniform and navy tudung.

You can see the video here.

Teresa Kok[/url] has raised the issue in parliment and I believe Lim Kit Siang has talked about the issue too..but I can’t get to his site right now.

I think part of the issue is being a member of the police force isn’t really a career choice here, it isn’t a good job or a way to earn some decent money. The police have to rely on bribes to suppliment their salary, it’s become an accepted thing sadly, a part of society.

In UK for example, being a police officer is a pretty good career, you get good benefits, and above average salary, good working conditions and respect from the public (on the whole). Here if you give someone a police uniform they seem to get some kind of power trip going on and feel that they have the right to extract money from every other citizen in country.

For one the law has to be a lot stricter for corruption to die out so there’s no place for bribery.

Also police need to trained properly in both moral actions and their police in society.

As from my experience I haven’t had many police try to extort money from me, usually when they see a white face they just let me go through, they don’t need to hassle it seems.

Every can make a difference though, by talking to the police, try not to bribe them..

There are some scary incidents though such as the 22 people seized at a club documented on Malaysiakini[/url].

It has to change, and will change eventually, but well I don’t think it’s going to be soon.

On another note, it’s weird being here, my weekend is Friday and Sunday, working full day on Saturday…*sigh*

Oh well it seems to pass the week faster 😉

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45 Responses to The issues of corruption in Malaysia.

  1. soowm November 25, 2005 at 3:24 am #

    Perhaps we need to follow what our southern neighbour does!!! employ the best brain and give them top money…..

  2. spiller November 25, 2005 at 3:33 am #

    Corruption comes from a corrupted mind. So education will be the key. This, will take time. Hopefully that chinese woman didn’t sacrifice for nothing.

    Anyhow, have a weird and fantastic weekend dude.

  3. vincent November 25, 2005 at 4:09 am #

    where do you propose a developing country like Malaysia find all that money to do as the Singaporeans do?

  4. Auntie Ning Ku November 25, 2005 at 4:52 am #

    The media mentioned words like “disgust”, “shocking” etc. How ironic no one seems to think its RACISM or Abuse? What if the situation is turned – A chinese policewoman (if they exist at all) and a naked tudung malay girl??? There will be riots …… I think this incident will create a greater friction and an underlying tension between both races.

  5. kimberlycun November 25, 2005 at 5:01 am #

    so your point is? i think it’s commendable that no one links it with racism at all. because it’s obviously not the issue. the issue is abuse of power and breach of human rights. NOT RACISM.

  6. suanie November 25, 2005 at 5:58 am #

    I don’t see it as a racism thing. You *can* link it to the percentage of the malay race in the police body and the girl in the video is a chinese, but honestly, what is the point? by not linking it to racial issues, it serves to remind people that this affects malaysians regardless of race, and is a human rights violation above all.

  7. ShaolinTiger November 25, 2005 at 6:29 am #

    Yeah it has nothing to do with race, it’s a human rights issue.

    Anyone that links this to race is trying to incite something that’s irrelevant to this case.

    Most of the police are Malays, so what does that mean? 99% of wrongs commited by the police are going to be commited by Malays..it doesn’t reflect on the race however, it reflects on the POLICE FORCE.

  8. damien November 25, 2005 at 8:06 am #

    So if the victim was a Malay girl wearing a tudung, she would be stripped naked and asked to do the same??

  9. Oysterman November 25, 2005 at 8:34 am #

    Exactly damien. I believe it is a race issue, whether you like it or not.

    I am not going to comment in detail, but please do not insult our intelligence. It clearly is a race issue.

    That’s what I believe and you guys are free to disagree.

  10. suanie November 25, 2005 at 9:42 am #

    as i said, i see it as an opportunity to rise above the norm racial issues. if ppl keep wanting to play the race card then go ahead. it’s been overdone, it’s really boring and we are getting nowhere with that.

  11. Oysterman November 25, 2005 at 1:19 pm #

    Nobody’s deliberately playing the race card.

    Whether you think it’s overdone or not, does not mean it is not a race issue. Going by your logic, if we see too many crimes happening, it’s boring already and we should ignore it. Just because it happens many times, everywhere, doesn’t mean it’s ok and that you don’t like the reason it happens so you don’t accept it.

    If it happens, then it happens, whether you like the reason it happens or not. We should not live in denial.

    There’re over 1 million missing non-Chinese ‘immigrants’ of abang/adik and they chose to highlight missing 50,000 Chinese tourists ?

    If this isn’t race, then I don’t know what it is. As Damien has pointed out, would such treatment be accorded to a tudung girl ?

    I have lived in this country for 30 years, and I’ve been following politics and news for as long as I can. Outsiders like ST don’t generally tend to see things from the perspective of grassroots like us and our parents because he gets treated better because he’s a Mat Salleh and perceived as a higher status foreigner from the west.

    The cops will treat him much better than they treat us so unless he’s truly one of us 2nd class citizens, he cannot conclude if it’s a race issue or not.

    You girls can choose to live in denial but offline, most of everyone else i know believe it’s a race issue. Try drinking at some kopitiam sometimes and listen to what they’re saying. 🙂

    Glad I am not alone. http://www.drliew.net/archives/001933.html

  12. mob1900 November 25, 2005 at 2:52 pm #

    Why are only Chinese nationals being singled out as missing by the authorities? I’m sure lotsa foreigners from other countries are listed as ‘missing’ as well. We don’t really call it ‘Racism’ here, we just call it ‘Wealth-distribution’. see? just change the word and everyone’s ok. Word empowerment. ;P

  13. Zi November 25, 2005 at 3:35 pm #

    I think Chinese national women are singled out, because a lot of them are believed to be prostitutes in the country.
    I just sincerely think the government ought to do something to revamp the entire police force for the better.

    I’m now starting to feel the brewing insecurity in my own country. Kind of sad though……….

  14. vss3t November 25, 2005 at 6:22 pm #

    wah….the policemen here in uk so ‘keng’ one. they even get to ride horses down the road. soo cool

  15. ShaolinTiger November 25, 2005 at 6:59 pm #

    I don’t see the primary concern here being racism, but well as you say what do I know?

    I’m sure the same thing happens to Philippinos, Indonesians, Myanmarese, Vietnamese, Indians and perhaps even whites.

    Would you be so concerned then?

    It’s a violation of human rights, regardless of the races involved, that is a secondary issue. Everyone has something to do with race, depending how you intepret it..

    I’m not denying it’s got NOTHING to do with race, I’m just saying this case, this issue is not about race.

  16. Chris November 25, 2005 at 7:25 pm #

    Although if you do take into account that some Malays still see Malaysian Chinese as “bangsa asing”, you can’t help but wonder sometimes…

    If anything, the racism in our country is mostly induced by politics. If you go to the outskirts – where people generally care more about their daily lives than on politics – everyone seems nicer to each other.

    I find that the less you read the papers, the more pleasant it is to live in this country.

    Whether or not the racism card is old and overused, that’s how most people are going to see it anyway – it’s only natural, and part of man’s psychological defenses when he/she sees a fellow person of the same group/religion/race tortured by a person from another.

    But coming back to the main issues here, there’s clearly something wrong with our police force and it’s about time the people in charge started to think about why all this is happening at all in the first place.

  17. Chris November 25, 2005 at 7:35 pm #

    Realistically, there’s no way our government would allow any major newspapers to write about this incident from a ‘racism’ point-of-view.

    The so-called harmony between the various races in the country is largely possible because of the delicate balancing act done by the government – if you ask me, I think this shows how mature the editors of the local papers are.

    True, you could incite hatred among the public by playing the race card – but how would that benefit anybody?

    Even if racism was the main factor here, you must remember that this was done by a small number of individuals – it does not mean that ALL Malays would do the same thing.

    Such over-generalisations would only lead to complications that our country really doesn’t need at the moment…

  18. KY November 25, 2005 at 8:36 pm #

    this is a total disgrace..

  19. Oysterman November 25, 2005 at 9:11 pm #

    Anyway guys, let’s all go read what MGGPillai has to say about this issue. Very interesting articles he’s wrote here.

    http://www.mggpillai.com/article.php3?sid=2163
    http://www.mggpillai.com/article.php3?sid=2164

  20. Oysterman November 25, 2005 at 9:57 pm #

    The Witch Hunt is on!

    http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=217

  21. kimberlycun November 25, 2005 at 10:05 pm #

    so yeah, maybe the cop in question did what she did due to explicit hatred towards the victim’s skin.

    but as a uniformed officer she should have risen above her sentiments and done the correct things. in this case, she hadn’t.

    maybe due to racism, maybe not…..but will you ever find out? or do you think you really know?

    the fact remains is that there’s a woman whose dignity has been snatched away from her by a uniformed person and this should be the very issue we address.

    fiixng things from the root may be ideal, but that takes time…generations even. why don’t we focus on the outcome now and mend it instead? it definitely is more relevant in this instance.

  22. S-Kay November 25, 2005 at 10:08 pm #

    If this is a human rights issue then I dun think there was a need to use ‘TUDUNG wearing police officer’ and ‘CHINESE female inmate’. Emphasizing the race is implies that you too are inciting something irrelevant even though you did not meant for it to be that way.

    Just pointing it out because people might be drawn to other issues instead of the main one. =)

  23. ShaolinTiger November 25, 2005 at 10:15 pm #

    The capitalisation is by you, not me, I put no emphasis on the race, I merely mentioned it. The navy tudung just clearly shows that it is a Malaysian Police Officer, nothing more.

  24. Oysterman November 25, 2005 at 10:48 pm #

    More bad news. Apparently female Chinese tourist were also raped by those in the civil service. I was told 3 Malays and 1 Indian were arrested. Go read the nanyang paper front page today.

    Autoworld Post

    Four nabbed over tourist rape case

    KLANG: Three air force personnel and a Youth and Sports Ministry staff have
    been arrested in connection with the alleged rape of a woman tourist from
    China at a hotel here.

    The 31-year-old woman was walking along the hotel corridor at 10pm when the
    four suspects forced her into a room on Thursday.

    One of suspects allegedly raped her while the others were said to have
    molested her.

    The woman then sought help from the hotel staff and lodged a report with
    the Klang police.

    The suspects, who were in town to attend a course, were nabbed near the
    hotel an hour later.

    Klang acting OCPD Supt Mohan Singh confirmed the arrest but declined to
    elaborate.

  25. smiling buddha November 25, 2005 at 11:17 pm #

    Hmmm…….racism or explicit hate or abuse of power…whatever you call them….. the damages have already been done. And I do hope the relevant authorities will fully investigate and see justice is been carry out .

  26. Oysterman November 25, 2005 at 11:17 pm #

    Ok here’s the link, finally up.

    http://www.mmail.com.my/Current_News/MM/Saturday/National/20051126110209/Article/index_html

  27. suanie November 25, 2005 at 11:28 pm #

    yah i don’t see it as a racism issue does not mean that other people cannot see it as a racism issue. if the reason that i do not see this particular issue as being a racism issue, it does not mean that i’m living in denial, so please, you are not the only one who has eyes open 0_0

    and yes I have read dr liew’s and mgg pillai’s articles. what’s your point? i’m aware of what and how this country was based on; the nep the ketuanan melayu the immigrant chinese the whys of the keris… and because I don’t think this issue should be viewed at from the race card point means I need to go sit around in a kopitiam ar?

    sien lah trolling is so 1990’s

  28. mohd mustapha November 25, 2005 at 11:29 pm #

    Wrongfully detained Chinese Housewife

    ———————————————-

    Translated police statement from Malay to English found on http://teresakok.blogsome.com/2005/11/15/china-nationals-sue-police-for-illegal-detention/

    This police statement was made by the 4 chinese housewife who were wrongfully detained

    Name: Yu Xue zhen
    Sex: Female
    Brith date: 27 November 1970
    Marriage status: married with Malaysian

    Name: Gu Xiu hua
    Sex: Female
    Marriage status: married
    Name: Wu Xiao hua
    Sex: Female
    Marriage status: married
    Name: Liu Jing
    Sex: Female
    Marriage status: married
    Brith date: 25 July 1971

    We were detained by the police with other lady Chinese nationals from the 3rd of November 2005 (Thursday), about 11pm nearing to Sungai Buloh. At that time we were in a car and the police was holding a road block.

    Police detained us with the cause of suspicion of fake passport. We were sent to the Sungai Buloh police station. At about 6 am 4th November 2005. We were sent to the Petaling Jaya Police Station and we were imprison in the lock up in there.

    Before we were sent to our cells, we were told to show all our belongings in our hand bag. A police men and a police woman who were at the counter recorded the inventory of our hand bag and asked $50 RM from both yu xue zhen and Gu xiu hua and we gave it to them. At that time, Wu Xia Hua only had $3 RM in her hand bag. She was also force to give it to the above mentioned police officers. The Police women then shared $10 of our money to each of the officers in the station. We were force to give the money because it was demanded from the police officer and we were afraid of them.

    After that, two police woman ask us to take off our clothes until we were naked in a room before going into the lock up one by one. The police women ask us to stand and squat five times when we were naked. When it was Yu Xue Zhen;s turn, she felt embarrass from striping and move her back to face the police women. She was slapped by the police women on the face. When Yu Xue Zhen was taking her clothes off. A police man was peeping at her and she screamed. After that the room door was immediately closed. After the body check, were we allowed to put our clothes back on and enter the lock up.

    On the evening of 5th November 2005. 5 chinese nationals women including us and 2 indonesian women was brought to the Sungai Buloh police station to record our statement. When we return to the Petaling Jaya Police station. We were again asked to take off our clothes and repeat the procedude. After that all the Chinese women were not allowed to wear back our bras. Only the women of other nationalities were allowed to wear back their bras.

    After we recorded out statement on the 5th of November at the Sungai Buloh Police Station, a police man did a hand gesture to Gu Xiu Hua that meant she had big breast.

    At about 7pm 5th November, Yu Xue Zhen wrap her body with a big towel and entered the bath room in the lock up. She notive a police man staring at her from outside the lock up’s door. This was witness by Gu Xiu Hua. Gu Xiu Hua remembers Yu Xue Zhen immediately went into the bath room and close the door.
    On the first day of our detention period. Yu Xue Zhen’s husband brought two bags that contained clothes, 3 towels, ladies towel, perfume, tooth brush and tooth paste to the Petaling Jaya Police Station to be given to Yu Xue Zhen, but the police officer on duty did not send it to her. On the 5th of November when Yu Xue Zhen was sent to the Sungai Buloh Police Station to record her statement. She was told by her husband that he sent those items to her on the day before. When Yu Xue Zhen was sent back to the Petaling Jaya Police Office, she asked for those items that was sent by her husband to the police, and she found a few expensive clothes, towel, tooth brush, tooth paste, perfume and ladies towel missing. And only two T shirt, a shirt, jeans and long pants was left behind.

    We were imprisoned in the lock up for 5 days, only released by the police on the 7th November 2005 when the immigration officer in Putrajaya have validated that our passport was real. Before we left the Petaling Jaya Police Station, around 4 pm, the same police men who did the same hand gesture that praise the size of Gu Xia Hua’s breast. That police man asked Gu Xiu Hua to come to him and did another gesture to ask Gu Xiu Hua to call him. But Gu Xiu Hua did not dare go near him.
    We are not happy about the imprisonment and our experience because we were holding valid passport and we have entered Malaysia many times through the years. We have never gone against the Malaysian law and we should not have been detained and imprisoned in the police lock up.

    ——————————

    It has also been alleged through press release by the Chinese woman that the police officer at the road block indicated they wanted a $500 rm bribe. On refusing the Chinese ladies were brought it for “suspicion” of owning fake passports. They were also not given proper drinking, instead they drank straight from the tap.

    This is the latest on the issue.
    Morning raid on Chinese nationals’ homes
    http://teresakok.blogsome.com/2005/11/23/morning-raid-on-chinese-nationals-homes/

    The MMS Story
    http://teresakok.blogsome.com/2005/11/25/52/

    The Video a Malaysian police woman forcing a woman to strip. A dirty minded policeman was secretly hiding and filming her.
    http://www.filefactory.com/get/f.php?f=5abefe7d55077db58c9c1793
    http://www.bigupload.com/d=4774
    http://d52.yousendit.com/E/0V1MNL7RKWOND3GIJZ71L915J4/Lokap%20girl.3gp

  29. suanie November 25, 2005 at 11:30 pm #

    oh no africans get it too. it just ‘happens’ that the profile of china women under 35 – possible hookers is too enforced.

  30. suanie November 25, 2005 at 11:33 pm #

    hello, is your other name “a good man” ?

  31. victor November 26, 2005 at 10:08 am #

    no shit. really.

  32. Peter November 26, 2005 at 10:28 am #

    It is always easier to speculate on the reasons than to wait for the outcome of the investigation.

  33. S-Kay November 26, 2005 at 2:35 pm #

    I meant to capitalise it to draw your attention to the keywords which might indicate and allowe others to assume that you’re emphasizing on the race. You did not need to use the navy tudung to point out that it was a Malaysian Police Officer. As you can see, she’s also wearing navy colored uniform with badges left and right which also indicates that she’s a Malaysian Police Officer as well.

  34. S-Kay November 26, 2005 at 2:42 pm #

    This my friend, is a case of horny men taking advantage of the recent hoohaas on Chinese nationals.

  35. Kevin Lee November 26, 2005 at 4:32 pm #

    I think it’s about to satisfy the urge of what each police person had in mind. Forgive me of being blatant. It is clearly to satisfy the urge of the policeman or policewoman to fulfill what they had in their mind. Policewoman or policeman with ill moral thoughts in their head tried to fulfill the urge. For policeman, the urge to view naked girl naked body by using their power to instruct and threaten the detainee is a satisfaction for them. For the policewoman and also policeman, it is other thoughts to extract money from their threatened and scared detainee. Read more on the fact of what happened based on from Teresa Kok which is Member of Parliament (Seputeh) who had personally showed the video to other MP.

    http://teresakok.blogsome.com/2005/11/15/china-nationals-sue-police-for-illegal-detention/

    Here’s one of other experience by other malaysia’s citizen

    http://corrupted-malaysia.blogspot.com/%5B/url%5D

  36. SimpleSandra November 27, 2005 at 1:54 am #

    It’s more to do with discrimination against “Chinese nationals” rather than just “Chinese”. And just like in Singapore, it’s got much to do with the sort of reputation their young women have earned overseas–especially in this region.

    It’s not nice, but all the hooha over overstaying Chinese mums and all in the media has reinforced the idea that Chinese ladies (especially the trendy ones) are ‘cheap’. You know–you see one, you see them all.

    Of course, incidents regarding rude and overdemanding Chinese tourists, and the idea that the Chinese are here to take jobs away from the locals etc have already fostered a distrust towards them. I’ts not just in Malaysia but Singapore too–just that people know better than to do something as blatant as this.

    The only good thing to come out of this is that in the long run, it will speed up whatever reforms they might have for the police. Short term tho, it’s gonna hurt for the country’s image, not to meniont financially too.

    I only hope certain bloggers (we all know who that might be) don’t take this as a lame opportunity to start another cross-straits blog war….

  37. Oysterman November 27, 2005 at 5:14 am #

    Well well, they even beat up this guy.

    PDRM Black Eye

  38. Davids05 November 27, 2005 at 7:31 am #

    A question. What made you move to away from the UK to Malaysia??!!! Seems an odd move, career? personal? I don’t get it!

  39. damien November 27, 2005 at 9:29 am #

    “After that all the Chinese women were not allowed to wear back our bras. Only the women of other nationalities were allowed to wear back their bras.”

    Errr….why the chinese women were not allowed to wear back their bras, ah?

  40. met November 27, 2005 at 1:38 pm #

    seems like the msian police bigwigs are deflecting the attention away from the issue on hand and turning the public’s attention toward the finding and punishment of the person who actually took the videoclip.

  41. mob1900 November 27, 2005 at 2:33 pm #

    *clap-clap-clap
    The authorities has done it again, instead of rectifying what’s wrong with their departments they chosed to put to blame on ‘evidence’ or ‘whistle-blowers’. First the Customs and now the PDRM. Is this the government you vote for? Thank you Malaysia for crapping on its citizen again. Now everyone in the world will know if you’re in ‘power’, you can get away with anything, including murder, murdering this beloved country.

  42. iesnek November 28, 2005 at 12:36 am #

    It is simply a case of those in power treating the public as being too stupid to comprehend, thus they don’t offer any explanations.

  43. anon November 29, 2005 at 11:30 pm #

    Here’s a link to the video:

    http://www.bigupload.com/d=6371

  44. Major December 7, 2005 at 5:36 pm #

    >In UK for example, being a police officer is a pretty good career, you get good benefits, and above average salary, good working conditions and respect from the public (on the whole).

    i tend to disagree. like people say, “everyone has a price”. i’ve seen policeman in the western world done bad things too…just on a different level, or the same level in a smaller scale. yes, education is the key, but not all of it. greed is a bad thing to human nature; from policeman to the president of a country, while you have all the power vested in you, would you not take advantages of it? i think the western world is not JUST as we have in our mind, and what i think people (that include president, PM, government, etc) are afraid of is being sued for what they’ve done (or not done), big time. you know, in the western world, you can be sued for anything.

    >where do you propose a developing country like Malaysia find all that money to do as the Singaporeans do?

    singapore does not come to this stage for nothing. the country spent 15-20 years (if memory serves me right) to build up a knowledgable, educated workforce. human resource is the only thing singapore has, and the people have been working very hard; thus, boosting the national output. economy good, more demand on manpower, wage increase, inflation, goes on a few cycles and m’sia can be as much as singapore is. the key is to work hard! let the innovative minds flourish and give the best of products and services! the chinese is clever and hard-working bunch; the pity is that they’ve been holding back in malaysia. why? if you live long enough in m’sia, you know why.

  45. WWW January 9, 2012 at 11:03 pm #

    i wan see lah >.<